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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 03:06:04 PM »
Lol.  Anyone in Baltimore knows he's not 100%.  We also know that the story is 2 years old and local ORs have spoken to him and apparently it's not an issue anymore.

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 03:12:32 PM »
Lol.  Anyone in Baltimore knows he's not 100%.  We also know that the story is 2 years old and local ORs have spoken to him and apparently it's not an issue anymore.

Yup, not sure why YW is making such a big deal about 2 year old news

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 03:20:42 PM »
Yup, not sure why YW is making such a big deal about 2 year old news

Plus, he wasn't revealed as any type of missionary.

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 03:21:51 PM »
Plus, he wasn't revealed as any type of missionary.
...and what is the big deal if he was?
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 03:39:08 PM »
...and what is the big deal if he was?

Didn't say there was one.  I was commenting on the shoddy "reporting."

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2014, 03:39:51 PM »
...and what is the big deal if he was?
I will let you answer that yourself. Would people not consider it to be an issue if someone in a Catholic church was trying to convert members to Islam?
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2014, 03:57:48 PM »
I will let you answer that yourself. Would people not consider it to be an issue if someone in a Catholic church was trying to convert members to Islam?
I look at the main goal of missionary work is to help others. Belonging to one religion and trying to convert someone to another religion does not make any sense.
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2014, 04:06:48 PM »
I look at the main goal of missionary work is to help others. Belonging to one religion and trying to convert someone to another religion does not make any sense.
that is likely not how most forum members view missionaries.
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2014, 04:12:38 PM »
that is likely not how most forum members view missionaries.
That may be true but that just makes most of them wrong.  :)
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2014, 04:27:37 PM »
They're not wrong.  That's the meaning of missionaries for us.  People trying to convert others.

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2014, 04:37:14 PM »
They're not wrong.  That's the meaning of missionaries for us.  People trying to convert others.
You might also think that 1+1=1 but you are still wrong.  :P
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2014, 08:49:58 PM »
So maybe the word missionary was misused, but the intent of the article and commenter are clear.
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2014, 08:53:14 PM »
You might also think that 1+1=1 but you are still wrong.  :P
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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2014, 09:04:40 PM »
Back on topic - I know him. He is clearly not 100% and anyone who met him could tell that instantly. While I never heard him spouting missionary things, if he had no one would have given him the time of day.
I highly doubt that:
 A) There was ever a yayin nesech issue with him ( I doubt anyone would let non-mevushal wine near him even without knowing this)
B) If he would have tried convincing people to convert that he would be at all coherent and have even a minuscule chance of being taken seriously.

He was a shlepper and an oddball, hardly a 'member of the frum community'. I don't know if it's accurate to say that he 'davened' at a particular shul. More accurate would be 'he stood holding a siddur on the wrong page and stared around waiting for the kiddush'

Interesting that YWN has now removed the article.

« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 09:08:18 PM by MarkS »

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2014, 09:16:29 PM »
...and what is the big deal if he was?

Dear sweet Count,

You have to understand that for us Jews, the word missionary is not without some pretty intense connotations. Yes, this requires a certain cultural sensitivity since you say that you normally think of missionaries as nice, helpful people, but you have to see it from our perspective. Like, would you ask a Native American why he's not celebrating Columbus Day?

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2014, 09:18:55 PM »
I highly doubt that:
 A) There was ever a yayin nesech issue with him ( I doubt anyone would let non-mevushal wine near him even without knowing this)
+1.
I'm not mekabal that people are dumb enough to have non menushal wine at a kiddush, which is open to the public. There are plenty of non-frum Jews or people who aren't Jewish at all (on the path to Geirus) in the community that it makes no sense.

And if someone is dumb enough to have non-mevushal wine by a public event, hes a shoita and patur from mitzvos.

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Re: frum jew in baltimore revealed as a christian missionary
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2014, 12:01:06 AM »
[quote

And if someone is dumb enough to have non-mevushal wine by a public event, hes a shoita and patur from mitzvos.
[/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                                    thats a very extreme statement . i hope your joking
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