Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban

[Achas Veachas]

Granted this was at the CH parade and not BP, but I did find the waking up in the grave part a drop strange.

Not getting into the rest of the paraphernalia involved there, do you not believe in T'chiyas Hameisim?

[zale]

Granted this was at the CH parade and not BP, but I did find the waking up in the grave part a drop strange.

Strange? Yes. Inappropriate?  Yes.

But, these guys were not part of the official parade and went with along with the procession without permission. They yellow flag fellows are a rogue group of individuals that like to call themselves Chabad. Not my problem.

On a side note, do you believe in Techiyas Hameisim? Or is it some looney old fantasy tale?

[MarkS]

Not getting into the rest of the paraphernalia involved there, do you not believe in T'chiyas Hameisim?

Of course I do. I still think it's weird to put bochurim in fake graves to demonstrate it.

I believe in Moshiach too. Don't you think it would be weird if someone dressed up in a long white beard  pretending to be Moshiach with another guy next to him dressed up like Moshe Rabeinu?

But, these guys were not part of the official parade and went with along with the procession without permission. They yellow flag fellows are a rogue group of individuals that like to call themselves Chabad. Not my problem.

Not your problem, but it goes on at the parade. I don't know if this went on at the BP parade also, but if so does that make it more understandable why Satmar wanted to stay away?

[Achas Veachas]

Of course I do. I still think it's weird to put bochurim in fake graves to demonstrate it.

The fact that it was Bochurim might be a bit over the top but I think almost every year there is at least one Techiyas Hameisim display that has dummies/dolls coming out of graves.

[menachem_m]

But, these guys were not part of the official parade and went with along with the procession without permission. They yellow flag fellows are a rogue group of individuals that like to call themselves Chabad. Not my problem.

Well put. No group is immune from their fair share of 'kochavim'.

[Achas Veachas]

Well put. No group is immune from their fair share of 'kochavim'.

Some groups have more than their 'fair' share...

[meshugener]

Nobody was influencing Satmar students to join Chabad. They were teaching them Chabad Chassidus, something which does not impede with their Mesorah.

As for Satmar, they slit the throat of this teacher and left him naked on the side of a highway to die. Another teacher was beaten and had his beard cut off. (For the record, one of the guys involved in the beard-cutting is now serving a 70 year sentence for molesting young girls.)

But Chabad are the bad guys here, right?

You're a shameless hypocrite.

When it comes to Satmar you say:

As for Satmar, they slit the throat of this teacher and left him naked on the side of a highway to die. Another teacher was beaten and had his beard cut off. (For the record, one of the guys involved in the beard-cutting is now serving a 70 year sentence for molesting young girls.)

But Chabad are the bad guys here, right?

But when it comes to Chabad, you have more of a tolerable behavior:

But, these guys were not part of the official parade and went with along with the procession without permission. They yellow flag fellows are a rogue group of individuals that like to call themselves Chabad. Not my problem.

Ye ye...

[Achas Veachas]

You're a shameless hypocrite.

When it comes to Satmar you say:


But when it comes to Chabad, you have more of a tolerable behavior:

 


Ye ye...

The difference being that the Satmar leadership refused to apologize back then while the Chabad leadership has been denouncing these wackos non-stop...

[meshugener]

The difference being that the Satmar leadership refused to apologize back then while the Chabad leadership has been denouncing these wackos non-stop...

You have a point.

[yoshi]

You have a point.

I respect your ability to admit when you are wrong.
10 points!

[ilherman]

Nobody was influencing Satmar students to join Chabad. They were teaching them Chabad Chassidus, something which does not impede with their Mesorah.

As for Satmar, they slit the throat of this teacher and left him naked on the side of a highway to die. Another teacher was beaten and had his beard cut off. (For the record, one of the guys involved in the beard-cutting is now serving a 70 year sentence for molesting young girls.)

But Chabad are the bad guys here, right?

  They were looking for evidence back then, where were you?

[MenachemS]

Chabad is not a secret society with secret meetings and secret plans..

Everything that we do should be based of the Rebbes teaching (Sichos, Igros and Maamarim) which are widely available in a number of languages. That is Chabad.

We have Lag Baomer parades NOT to convert anyone, that is ridiculous. It's to promote Torah, Mitzvos and Achdus among Jewish children, whoever they may be.

As for learning Chassidus we believe that it is important to a. increase in Yiras Shomayim, b. prepare for Moshiach (Amosai Ko'osi Mar..). This is something we believe that is worthy for all Yidden, not just Chabadniks, but we certainly are not trying to make everyone "Chabadniks". I don't know of anyone on such a mission and it is definitely not what the Rebbe stood for.

The reason why we learn Tanya, is because we believe that is a greater revelation (in depth and breadth) of Penimiyus Hatorah to the average person than the Chassidus that came before it. And that is why there was more Hisnagdus to the Alter Rebbe. The Noam Elimelech himself proclaimed about the Tanya "a G-d so big into such a little book!".

[ckmk47]

I don't know if this went on at the BP parade also, but if so does that make it more understandable why Satmar wanted to stay away?

The BP parade stays away from meshichism.  Completely.

[zale]

  They were looking for evidence back then, where were you?

Oh, you mean he may not be guilty?

OK then, he's serving 70 years for ALLEGEDLY molesting a young girl.

Word is that during his trial he called the Chossid whom he beat and cut his beard and asked for mechila. The Chossid offered Mechila without asking questions.

[zale]

You're a shameless hypocrite.

when it comes to Chabad, you have more of a tolerable behavior..

You mean to say that cutting a mans throat and leaving him naked on the freeway is the same as waiving yellow flags?

For the record, Chabad reached out to the Satmar leadership "Hisachdus Horabbonim" at the time and asked them to condemn and punish those who were involved. The response was that they were "afraid" of this group and could not control them or tell them what to do. 

[meshugener]

I'm out of this.
PM me in case there's something fun going on here.

[A European]

I'm out of this.
PM me in case there's something fun going on here.

Are you satmer?

[etech0]

Are you satmer?

thinking up a shidduch?

[meshugener]

Are you satmer?

Yes

[ilherman]

thinking up a shidduch?

He is married.