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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2014, 08:25:45 PM »
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2014, 08:51:06 PM »
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2014, 09:09:58 PM »
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2014, 09:51:35 PM »
Can you explain this? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7687.msg181285#msg181285

Seems like a discrepancy.
Nah. If you know him, that would only serve as a confirmation :P

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2014, 10:18:25 PM »
Nah. If you know him, that would only serve as a confirmation :P
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2014, 10:47:12 PM »
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #129 on: May 23, 2014, 04:03:35 AM »
Oh, you mean he may not be guilty?

OK then, he's serving 70 years for ALLEGEDLY molesting a young girl.

Word is that during his trial he called the Chossid whom he beat and cut his beard and asked for mechila. The Chossid offered Mechila without asking questions.
Apparently he said that it's not his kovod that he was poge'a in and advised him to go to the Ohel to ask mechila.

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #130 on: May 23, 2014, 10:28:43 AM »
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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade
« Reply #131 on: May 23, 2014, 10:36:13 AM »
Nobody was influencing Satmar students to join Chabad. They were teaching them Chabad Chassidus, something which does not impede with their Mesorah.

As for Satmar, they slit the throat of this teacher and left him naked on the side of a highway to die. Another teacher was beaten and had his beard cut off. (For the record, one of the guys involved in the beard-cutting is now serving a 70 year sentence for molesting young girls.)

But Chabad are the bad guys here, right?

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You pulling our leg?

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #132 on: May 23, 2014, 11:55:58 AM »
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You pulling our leg?
Unfortunately no...

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade
« Reply #133 on: May 23, 2014, 01:04:49 PM »
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You pulling our leg?

That is what they did. Not surprised that you are shocked by this.

They also threw rocks at Mitzvah Tanks... But I don't want to tell all the stories in one thread :-X





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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #135 on: May 23, 2014, 04:39:41 PM »
These are stories that Chabad kids grow up hearing.
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/21/nyregion/hasidic-rabbi-s-beard-is-cut-in-an-abduction-in-brooklyn.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/22/nyregion/attack-on-rabbi-brings-anguish-to-borough-park.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/27/nyregion/man-cleared-of-cutting-hasidic-rabbi-s-beard.html
That is what they did. Not surprised that you are shocked by this.

They also threw rocks at Mitzvah Tanks... But I don't want to tell all the stories in one thread :-X





None of those are about killing somebody.  As horrible as they are.

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #136 on: May 23, 2014, 06:04:12 PM »
One article mentioned Lacerations on he's neck...

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #137 on: May 23, 2014, 06:12:45 PM »
One article mentioned Lacerations on he's neck...

The accusation was that they slit his neck and left him for dead.

Look,  I don't want to sound like I'm minimizing what happened.   Just some lawyerly tips: when the facts are on your side, it pays to stick to them.

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #138 on: May 25, 2014, 12:38:37 AM »
The accusation was that they slit his neck and left him for dead.

Look,  I don't want to sound like I'm minimizing what happened.   Just some lawyerly tips: when the facts are on your side, it pays to stick to them.
None of my fellow Satmar chassidim who remembered this parshah had any recollection of attacks other than what was mentioned in these articles. (And I, too, am in no way trying to minimize these attacks.) One of them, the daughter of a then prominent staff member in Satmar yeshiva, added that she remembers being harassed by Lubavitchers threatening over the phone to burn down their home.
I make it a point to try to look at things from an unbiased perspective, so I thought that the guilty party might have hidden the truth from other Satmar members. Now I'm starting to suspect that the more horrific version is actually a fabrication, although I am still open to accept the truth if it could be proven.
They also filled me in on some very important missing details about Vechter's actions, which explained - not justified! - the parents' measures to prevent further deceit and aggravation. I don't like to "bashmutz" Jews on a public forum, but let's just say that it seems it wasn't as pashut as some here are trying to portray.

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Re: Chabad Lag B'Omer Parade Ban
« Reply #139 on: May 25, 2014, 01:02:40 AM »
And the root to it all was one side trying to impose its worldview on the rest of Torah Jewry. Let's not lose the forest for the trees.
And this was the point I wanted to make in the first place.
Chabad might have tried certain things, but in its history it never used coercion by intimidation.
Yes, Satmar has changed a lot in recent years. Mostly IMHO  due to circumstances of internal strife and loss of power over events in Torah Jewry in America due to loss in public opinion rather than any change in shita.
I've already replied that I wasn't interested in getting involved in an "it's your fault that we did what we did" type of argument, although I technically could retort in such a manner. But I was a bit disturbed by your last statement, which implies that the original Satmar shitah was to fight against anyone who doesn't accept our beliefs. I was planning to look into this, and then on Shabbos I happened to read a piece in a Yiddish weekly which I found very interesting. It's from an interview with Rabbi Yecheskel Roth shlita, Karlsburger Rav.
ש: דער רב איז א קנאי וואס איז גרייט צו ליידן אויפן דעת תורה, אבער דער רב... גייט באזוכן אלע רבנים און רבי'ס און לעבט מיט יעדן בשלום... איז נישט קנאות א סתירה מיט שלום?
ת: אין דעם נושא האב איך איין מורה דרך, דער רבי זי"ע. ער איז דאך געווען דער עמוד האש פון קנאות און ער איז געגאנגען באזוכן די רבי'ס פון גור, וויזניץ, הגאון רבי אהרן קאטלער וועמען ער האט אזוי מספיד געווען. אפילו עסקנים פון אגודה האט דער רבי שיין אויפגענומען, און די עסקנים פון חינוך עצמאי, דער רבי האט זיי אפי' געגעבן געלט צו שטיצן. דער רבי האט אויסגעלערנט אז מען דארף זיין מיט יעדן איד א ידיד און נאר לוחם זיין פאר'ן אמת קעגן דעם שקר, אבער נישט מענטשן איינער קעגן דעם צווייטן.
The same article mentions that when the Satmar Rebbe appointed Rav Roth as Satmar Dayan in Boro Park, he referred to him as "mein Reb Cheskele". This Lashon chibah, which was out of character for the Rebbe, should give Rav Roth the credence to state the Rebbe's shittah as it truly was, more than any hothead would try to convince you.