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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2014, 10:04:54 AM »
On a very simplified level, a single teacher could theorectically work a full day (similar to other professions), teach the class, receive a salary of $90,000 (w/ 2 months summer vacation), and still have $210,000 remaining to play with.
Schools pay rent/mortgage, electricity, desks + computers, principals, secretaries, phone bills, heat, A/C, administrators, dean, CEO, special needs dept, substitutes, maintenance/cleaning...  Those costs are much higher than the teachers' salaries.
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2014, 11:00:01 AM »

If the 20k excludes real estate value that's probably wrong.
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that if the 20k cost doesn't include payment for the property of the school then there is no way it costs 20k per kid?

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2014, 11:41:41 AM »
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that if the 20k cost doesn't include payment for the property of the school then there is no way it costs 20k per kid?

The city doesn't pay for the property. Jewish schools do. Hence if the 20k excludes the RE value, your assumption that the cost structure at Jewish schools is lower is probably wrong.
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2014, 11:47:53 AM »
Public school teachers make very good salaries and have incredible benefits and pension plans.  Jewish schools costs are much lower in that regard.
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2014, 11:52:18 AM »
Public school teachers make very good salaries and have incredible benefits and pension plans.  Jewish schools costs are much lower in that regard.
Jewish teachers get free tuition for their kids. That probably exceeds the public schools benefits...
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2014, 11:58:04 AM »
Jewish teachers get free tuition for their kids. That probably exceeds the public schools benefits...
Side note, Not all schools offer that. Some offer lesser benefits. For schools that do offer that it's amazing. I met a doctor in Baltimore with a large family who quit her job and went to teach in the school because it ended up paying better. :)
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2014, 12:05:43 PM »
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2014, 12:07:13 PM »
Keep in mind that the payment from the school district for each kid in public school doesn't include the pensions and the the money that they get to fix up the buildings.
Do the real cost is much higher per kid. 

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2014, 12:20:30 PM »
Keep in mind that the payment from the school district for each kid in public school doesn't include the pensions
Source?
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2014, 01:20:39 PM »
Very good op-ed on the tuition crisis.

http://jstandard.com/content/item/putting_our_money_where_our_mouths_are/28821
It's such a no-brainer in my mind. Not to say that it'll be easy to implement properly, but it solves so many major issues. The tax issue is a big one IMO that it would solve, and it would also mean that you can give maaser to the scholarship organization according to all poskim (as opposed to when that money is included in tuition - which is not something universally agreed upon among the poskim).

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2014, 01:22:19 PM »
It's such a no-brainer in my mind. Not to say that it'll be easy to implement properly, but it solves so many major issues. The tax issue is a big one IMO that it would solve, and it would also mean that you can give maaser to the scholarship organization according to all poskim (as opposed to when that money is included in tuition - which is not something universally agreed upon among the poskim).
And yet the op-ed is old and this is the first I've ever heard of it.
Though this is an issue I'd champion more than improving KSMLs.
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2014, 01:29:16 PM »
And yet the op-ed is old and this is the first I've ever heard of it.
Though this is an issue I'd champion more than improving KSMLs.
Like I said, not so easy to implement. You need all the schools to buy in. That's probably easier to do in Cleveland than in NY though.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2014, 01:30:57 PM »
That's probably easier to do in Cleveland than in NY though.
True.
But it can also be accomplished even for one school.
Lower tuition to a level that 90% can afford, eliminate all scholarships, and get backers to create a fund for those who are truly in need.
The people paying full now would be thrilled to donate large sums of money that's tax-deductible and counts as maiser l'chol hadayos.

Seems like a no-brainer. Why is noone trying it?
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2014, 01:37:30 PM »
Jewish teachers get free tuition for their kids. That probably exceeds the public schools benefits...
like 2/3 salary and full health Insurance for life?