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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2014, 10:51:39 PM »
At $5,500 per child for 4 children as the 'scholarship' avg tuition is an excellent base. 20K a year is a lot for annual tuition.

Most schools would do very well if that were the case for every non-full tuition paying child. Too many families claim that they are so poor, they pay under $1 - $2K per child and spend in lots of other areas, drive expensive cars, have iPhones, their kids have iPhones, and then they are bothered by the quality of the teachers.... 
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #91 on: May 19, 2014, 11:36:26 PM »
Sorry this took so long. Just a few responses.

@ayman,  besides for chevrons comment, what does this thread have to do with people who are in chinuch? The people paying tuition are regular working people.

Obviously insight from a school administrator would help clarify things,  but otherwise. .. .? 
Point one is true, and I'm not saying that there is something wrong with them speaking from their point of view. But as you say in point two, you would really need to speak with a school administrator (like peacenlove) to find out the true costs for running a school or yeshiva. Just because someone is a hardworking person, with some seichal, does not mean they know what it takes to run a school and what the costs are. To base your calculations solely on what you think a teachers salary ought to be is ridiculous.

Involved, took training.
FTR, the training was not helpful...if you needed to be told what they said, then this job is not for you.
There are definitely people who are naturally more suited for the job and people who are less so. There are people who do not need any training whatsoever and others that you can train for years and they will still not be cut out for it. However, I don't believe that the training is useless for the majority. There are some very useful tips, techniques, theories and ideas that are learned in training. The best teachers IMO are always learning to teach. They do not say that I have been doing this for the past X amount of years so I'm good. There is always room for improvement.

Those are infinitely better than those who were just thrown into a classroom because they couldn't find a better job (even if they underwent 'training'...)
Huh?

Disclaimer: I do not currently pay a tuition. For parents to get together and try to come up with ideas to lower their costs is a great idea. Get together with the school administration and see what can be done. But to make calculations here on DDF based on fictional numbers in areas that you don't really have the whole picture just seems very funny to me...
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2014, 12:07:28 AM »

There are definitely people who are naturally more suited for the job and people who are less so. There are people who do not need any training whatsoever and others that you can train for years and they will still not be cut out for it. However, I don't believe that the training is useless for the majority. There are some very useful tips, techniques, theories and ideas that are learned in training. The best teachers IMO are always learning to teach. They do not say that I have been doing this for the past X amount of years so I'm good. There is always room for improvement.
100% Correct

Any mechanech who does not see the need to constantly grow is in the wrong profession.  However, the "training", although in theory is a good idea, IME practically did not help very much.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2014, 12:08:37 AM »
100% Correct

Any mechanech who does not see the need to constantly grow is in the wrong profession.  However, the "training", although in theory is a good idea, IME practically did not help very much.
I guess it depends then on the program doing the training?
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2014, 11:33:35 AM »
Just want to throw something out to the DDF crowd. Why cant we send our children to Public School? And hire a Rabbi to each 1-2 hours a day after school. 

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2014, 11:35:56 AM »
Just want to throw something out to the DDF crowd. Why cant we send our children to Public School? And hire a Rabbi to each 1-2 hours a day after school.
Not practical everywhere/for everyone. Growing up in Crown Heights for example...
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2014, 12:01:50 PM »
Just want to throw something out to the DDF crowd. Why cant we send our children to Public School? And hire a Rabbi to each 1-2 hours a day after school.
Sure you can do that. But the products of that system will be vastly different than what we see today.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2014, 12:44:15 PM »
Here is my idea to help the tuition crisis:
All schools in the neighborhood make an agreement that they will take in any child of any teacher teaching in one of these schools as long as he had more than one child,  for free.
 This way,  all schools (which are part of the above agreement) can pay their teachers much less (lowering overall costs) and everyone is happy.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2014, 12:50:06 PM »
Actually, providing free tuition for teachers is unfair compensation.  Not all teachers have the same number of children.  So a teacher with 4 children in the school is getting 2x the bonus of someone with 2 in the school, and 4x the bonus of a childless teach (or one whose children have grown up).

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2014, 12:53:00 PM »
Actually, providing free tuition for teachers is unfair compensation.  Not all teachers have the same number of children.  So a teacher with 4 children in the school is getting 2x the bonus of someone with 2 in the school, and 4x the bonus of a childless teach (or one whose children have grown up).
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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2014, 12:55:01 PM »
and family insurance policies....
I thought those are a flat price for the 'family plan'.  Not a per person cost.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2014, 01:55:14 PM »
Actually, providing free tuition for teachers is unfair compensation.  Not all teachers have the same number of children.  So a teacher with 4 children in the school is getting 2x the bonus of someone with 2 in the school, and 4x the bonus of a childless teach (or one whose children have grown up).
I thought it was self understood,  but the schools will pay their teachers based upon how much they are "saving" by having their children in schools for free.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2014, 02:52:57 PM »
I thought it was self understood,  but the schools will pay their teachers based upon how much they are "saving" by having their children in schools for free.
Each teacher is not paid a salary reflecting how many children they're receiving free tuition for. That means that the 'price' of free tuition for teacher's children is not allocated to those actually benefiting from it, rather it's spread evenly across all teacher.

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2014, 07:00:32 PM »
Each teacher is not paid a salary reflecting how many children they're receiving free tuition for. That means that the 'price' of free tuition for teacher's children is not allocated to those actually benefiting from it, rather it's spread evenly across all teacher.
I was taking about my new idea. It's not something that happens

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Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2014, 10:47:46 PM »
I was taking about my new idea. It's not something that happens
If you lower the salaries equally across all teachers, the burden is still being unfairly shifted from the teachers with more kids to the teachers with less (or no) kids. If you lower each teacher's salary based on how many kids they have in the schools, then you're just taking away the tuition benefit with nothing in return.