Author Topic: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?  (Read 27820 times)

Online ckmk47

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Aug 2012
  • Posts: 8221
  • Total likes: 1246
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: brooklyn
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2014, 12:55:01 PM »
and family insurance policies....
I thought those are a flat price for the 'family plan'.  Not a per person cost.
My favorite cause: cssy.org

Online dovy2

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Oct 2012
  • Posts: 2453
  • Total likes: 344
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 24
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2014, 01:55:14 PM »
Actually, providing free tuition for teachers is unfair compensation.  Not all teachers have the same number of children.  So a teacher with 4 children in the school is getting 2x the bonus of someone with 2 in the school, and 4x the bonus of a childless teach (or one whose children have grown up).
I thought it was self understood,  but the schools will pay their teachers based upon how much they are "saving" by having their children in schools for free.

Online skyguy918

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 4118
  • Total likes: 894
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Queens, NY
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2014, 02:52:57 PM »
I thought it was self understood,  but the schools will pay their teachers based upon how much they are "saving" by having their children in schools for free.
Each teacher is not paid a salary reflecting how many children they're receiving free tuition for. That means that the 'price' of free tuition for teacher's children is not allocated to those actually benefiting from it, rather it's spread evenly across all teacher.

Online dovy2

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Oct 2012
  • Posts: 2453
  • Total likes: 344
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 24
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2014, 07:00:32 PM »
Each teacher is not paid a salary reflecting how many children they're receiving free tuition for. That means that the 'price' of free tuition for teacher's children is not allocated to those actually benefiting from it, rather it's spread evenly across all teacher.
I was taking about my new idea. It's not something that happens

Online skyguy918

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 4118
  • Total likes: 894
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Queens, NY
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2014, 10:47:46 PM »
I was taking about my new idea. It's not something that happens
If you lower the salaries equally across all teachers, the burden is still being unfairly shifted from the teachers with more kids to the teachers with less (or no) kids. If you lower each teacher's salary based on how many kids they have in the schools, then you're just taking away the tuition benefit with nothing in return.

Online A3

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 3487
  • Total likes: 99
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2018, 09:10:36 PM »
Is it the norm for the schools to charge $$ for kindergarten graduation fee?

Online Sammy82

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 1647
  • Total likes: 547
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: AWAY
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2018, 10:56:59 PM »
Is it the norm for the schools to charge $$ for kindergarten graduation fee?
Huh? Really? I'm afraid to ask how much.

Offline mmgfarb

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2015
  • Posts: 8430
  • Total likes: 1145
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #107 on: May 01, 2018, 01:13:51 AM »
Is it the norm for the schools to charge $$ for kindergarten graduation fee?
What does that even mean? Where is the money going?
"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

Offline mord1

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Gold Elite
  • ******
  • Join Date: Feb 2013
  • Posts: 914
  • Total likes: 9
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #108 on: May 01, 2018, 02:44:19 AM »
Is it the norm for the schools to charge $$ for kindergarten graduation fee?
I have not paid a kindergarten graduation fee

Offline Jad982

  • Non-Elite Member
  • Join Date: Aug 2018
  • Posts: 0
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: New York
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2018, 10:59:43 AM »
A big part of the problem is also that schools are top heavy. An administrator for this an administrator for that.
When I was in school you had a Principal, Asst. Principal, and Secretary and we made it through just fine

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19784
  • Total likes: 16363
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #110 on: August 07, 2018, 10:01:00 AM »
A big part of the problem is also that schools are top heavy. An administrator for this an administrator for that.
When I was in school you had a Principal, Asst. Principal, and Secretary and we made it through just fine
Who was in charge of paying salaries?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline farmbochur

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 1817
  • Total likes: 241
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 19
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #111 on: August 07, 2018, 11:14:51 AM »


Very good op-ed on the tuition crisis.

http://jstandard.com/content/item/putting_our_money_where_our_mouths_are/28821



It's such a no-brainer in my mind. Not to say that it'll be easy to implement properly, but it solves so many major issues. The tax issue is a big one IMO that it would solve, and it would also mean that you can give maaser to the scholarship organization according to all poskim (as opposed to when that money is included in tuition - which is not something universally agreed upon among the poskim).



And yet the op-ed is old and this is the first I've ever heard of it.
Though this is an issue I'd champion more than improving KSMLs.

Did you ever push for this in Cleveland?
Risk is opportunity

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4965
  • Total likes: 1880
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2018, 04:43:06 PM »





Did you ever push for this in Cleveland?
they have it in Chicago. It's called the kehila fund

Offline mercaz1

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 2128
  • Total likes: 67
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #113 on: August 07, 2018, 04:45:58 PM »
they have it in Chicago. It's called the kehila fund

how much is tuition in Chicago yeshiva?

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4965
  • Total likes: 1880
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #114 on: August 07, 2018, 04:52:59 PM »
how much is tuition in Chicago yeshiva?
it varies but I believe in the 12k-14k range for k-8.

Offline 12HRS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 5181
  • Total likes: 595
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 6
    • View Profile
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #115 on: August 07, 2018, 08:48:36 PM »
That woul cover for kids right?
Gur is making now a campaign parents should pay there balance of last 2 years, theyre expecting to bring in over million dollars if successful, and I think the average tuition peer child is ~300 per month

Can you elaborate?

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4965
  • Total likes: 1880
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Re: Why is Jewish Day School tuition so high?
« Reply #116 on: August 07, 2018, 08:53:20 PM »


Tuition rates is like cc processing fees you keep your mouth shut you'll pay a price.

Can someone create a spreadsheet of all schools/yeshivas in NYC area, no becuase it boils down to how much you kvetch and your name.
There's no real data of average tuition parents pay
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jJF9icyyd5jMqY-pm06QbJqqAKXe0b9X-1-DOzbo4yk/edit#gid=1046444810

Offline CS1

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Feb 2014
  • Posts: 3740
  • Total likes: 49
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
    • California Gourmet Premium Chocolate
  • Location: United States
  • Programs: DDSLA, DDSCLE, Bonvoy Titanium Feb 2025
California Gourmet Belgian Nut-Free Chocolate Chips https://bit.ly/CaliforniaGourmetDirect

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2947
  • Total likes: 2719
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 70695
  • Total likes: 20225
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.