Poll

Is it really possible to say every word in the tiffilah in the amount of time they do it?

Yes
No,impossible.
Every other word.
Thats why I daven nusach askenaz.
I end up skipping it because I would be the last one in the shul.

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An employee whose father is a 3rd generation chazzan asked his father who also never heard of such a thing. This one I know is "into" accurate nusach,
Don't know why we're still talking about this. Is it possible that there exists such a nusach/minhag? Sure. Common even? Maybe. But to think that it was the predominant nusach/minhag and we all forgot about it except one or two historian chazanim is highly unlikely, to say the least.

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An employee whose father is a 3rd generation chazzan asked his father who also never heard of such a thing. This one I know is "into" accurate nusach,
Thanks. The ones I spoke to were from Hungarian and Galician descent. I also heard from a yekke that they have different nuschaos for each selicha. I don't know if it's the same as the Hungarian/Galician nusach, though. He sent me a link to this website to hear recordings of Yekke Nusach. www.kayj.net

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Don't know why we're still talking about this. Is it possible that there exists such a nusach/minhag? Sure. Common even? Maybe. But to think that it was the predominant nusach/minhag and we all forgot about it except one or two historian chazanim is highly unlikely, to say the least.
Not unlikely at all as ExGingi pointed out. It was definitely predominant in Hungary and Galicia.

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Don't know why we're still talking about this. Is it possible that there exists such a nusach/minhag? Sure. Common even? Maybe. But to think that it was the predominant nusach/minhag and we all forgot about it except one or two historian chazanim is highly unlikely, to say the least.
I can see that you are not into nusach. There is tons that has been forgotten over the last 75 years. A big portion of this is how many of the larger shuls with chazzanim had become "less than frum" in addition to the younger crowd preferring either YI or aguda type minyanim where younger people who never really got the nusach became the balei tefila were davening for the amud. Every yom tov I hear people sticking yomim noraim nusach into YT musaf.
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Thanks. The ones I spoke to were from Hungarian and Galician descent. I also heard from a yekke that they have different nuschaos for each selicha. I don't know if it's the same as the Hungarian/Galician nusach, though. He sent me a link to this website to hear recordings of Yekke Nusach. www.kayj.net
I am sure Levandowski who is the basis of most of the yekkishe nusach had something different for each one. It is possible that those areas had, but keep in mind that in yeshivos they are not even saying the same slichos as those areas.
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I am sure Levandowski who is the basis of most of the yekkishe nusach had something different for each one. It is possible that those areas had, but keep in mind that in yeshivos they are not even saying the same slichos as those areas.
I am not familiar with that, but I do know that the yekkes have different selichos than minhag Lita and polin.

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How about being half way through נענועים when the Chazzan continues to יאמר נא ישראל.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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How about being half way through נענועים when the Chazzan continues to יאמר נא ישראל.

I don't know about the sources for the movement and the reasons of the minhogim, in tehilas hashem siddur we only shake for hodu one time in that papagraph and once in the boruch haba paragraph.

In ashkenaz they shake for all hodus during halel.