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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1880 on: September 22, 2023, 04:11:16 PM »
Dedicated to that ? Or as part of criticizing other minorities?
The newspaper, Critical Chronicle, publishes an article which finds fault with certain aspects of Orthodox Jewish institutions. 

What criteria would you use to decide whether this is a reasonable criticism, or whether it derives from the considerations expressed here:
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1881 on: September 22, 2023, 04:14:31 PM »
The newspaper, Critical Chronicle, publishes an article which finds fault with certain aspects of Orthodox Jewish institutions. 

What criteria would you use to decide whether this is a reasonable criticism, or whether it derives from the considerations expressed here:
I really don't know, I know for example that I'm anti trans not merely transphobic, in a sense that I'd support any effort that goes against the trans movement, up until a red line, which is I'd stay away from advocating for any sort of physical harm whatsoever, but you might argue that advocating against a certain group fuels hatred and potentially incites violence which will end up harming the people in the group.
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1882 on: September 22, 2023, 04:20:58 PM »

No it didn't. It originated from a lobbying group that *told them* something undesirable is happening. That lobbying group has a history of making blatantly antisemitic statements, and they claim to be representative of a community which has loudly and broadly disassociated themselves from them.

Then, like through a combination of "soft" bigotry and confirmation bias, badly misreported the story.
You give Yaffed too much credit if you really believe that they dictate what the NYT will cove,r. 

Yes, Yaffed had been lobbying for investigation of yeshivas since 2015 (?).  They continued in 2016, 2017, 2018 (when one of those yeshivas was found to be involved in fraud), 2019, and then, finally, in 2020, Shapiro and Rosenthal began their investigation.  I don't interpret this as blindly following what Yaffed wants them to do.

I'm not defending their reporting, but I see it as slipshod more than malicious.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1883 on: September 22, 2023, 04:42:16 PM »

I'm not defending their reporting, but I see it as slipshod more than malicious.

It's not the first time you're backtracking on this;

OKAY, IT'S A SMEAR

But if it wasn't clear it was a malicious smear campaign all along, the Agudah have since done an excellent job pinpointing that.

https://irp.cdn-website.com/5d5eb7b6/files/uploaded/KnowUs%20-%20Open%20Letter%20to%20the%20Pulitzer%20Prize%20Board%20(4.10.23%20AM).pdf

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1884 on: September 22, 2023, 04:46:25 PM »
Yes, that's my point.  I would expect to see a big Al Cheit coming from yeshivas, and from organizations that support them. Do you see anything like that happening?  All I know if what I read on DDF, and I haven't seen any admission that there are problems in the yeshivas, just anger at the media that exposed the problems.
I should do a big al cheit because one yeshiva committed fraud? Okay.
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1885 on: September 22, 2023, 04:51:04 PM »
I should do a big al cheit because one yeshiva committed fraud? Okay.

Add one for Kyle Deschanel too

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1886 on: September 22, 2023, 05:17:15 PM »
You give Yaffed too much credit if you really believe that they dictate what the NYT will cove,r. 

Yes, Yaffed had been lobbying for investigation of yeshivas since 2015 (?).  They continued in 2016, 2017, 2018 (when one of those yeshivas was found to be involved in fraud), 2019, and then, finally, in 2020, Shapiro and Rosenthal began their investigation.  I don't interpret this as blindly following what Yaffed wants them to do.

I'm not defending their reporting, but I see it as slipshod more than malicious.

I didn't say they dictate the reporting. They are a lobbying organization, and that's exactly what they did. These reporters and others have had close relationships with Yaffed leaders for years.

The evidence that it is malicious is in how they chose to frame the community and the background behind the story. For instance, portraying Chassidim voting in their own interests as a dark, shady, corrupt political underground, as well as numerous other instances highlighted upthread.



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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1887 on: September 22, 2023, 05:56:37 PM »
We saw an orthodox jew kidnap a child, bring him home, and hug and kiss him! Kidnapping and child abuse! Sexual perversion!

Oh wait...it was his own child? Sorry, just sloppy reporting.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1888 on: October 27, 2023, 08:47:40 AM »

עסקנים ווארענען איבער פריש געפלאנטע העסליכע ארטיקל וואס ניו יארק טיימס וועט פובליצירן קעגן די מוסדות‎

דער טיימס האָט געשיקט א בריוו צו עטליכע עסקנים זיי צו פרעגן קאָמענטאַרן איבער די געפּלאַנטע אַרטיקל, אָנצייגנדיג אויף א ביל וואָס גאָווערנאָר האָקול האָט אונטערגעשריבן וואָס ווערט אויסגעטייטשט אַלס קעגן די מוסדות. עסקנים האָבן רעאַגירט צום טיימס, זאָגנדיג אַז די זאַכן וואָס גייען געברענגט ווערן אינעם אַרטיקל זענען הוילע בלבולים און ליגנט, אָבער מען ערוואַרט אַז דער טיימס וועט ווייטער גיין ווי געפּלאַנט און פּובליצירן דעם אַרטיקל.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1889 on: October 30, 2023, 02:36:49 PM »

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1891 on: November 03, 2023, 01:05:25 PM »

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1893 on: January 02, 2024, 06:36:19 PM »
Doesn’t fit the title, but this still seems like the right place for this tweet:

https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1742316449769861483
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1894 on: January 02, 2024, 07:44:54 PM »
Doesn’t fit the title, but this still seems like the right place for this tweet:

https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1742316449769861483

it fits because their hate is against Jews no matter which hat or beliefs.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1895 on: February 06, 2024, 02:04:02 PM »

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1896 on: Yesterday at 06:24:09 PM »
There's a hearing tomorrow about the Limudei Kodesh Matzav.... saya an extra Kappitel Tehillim!