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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #600 on: May 28, 2021, 11:04:32 AM »
Are the top two BX cables the only the only places wires go in/out of the box? Does BX on top left have two wires and BX on top right have 3 wires?
Wires #4 & 5 are tied together with the red wire nut?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
The BX on the right is live in, the wire to the light and neutral. On the left is a live which is sourced from the right, and a neutral. (When that is disconnected a light nearby loses power)

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #601 on: May 28, 2021, 11:24:33 AM »
Yes. Yes. Yes.
The BX on the right is live in, the wire to the light and neutral. On the left is a live which is sourced from the right, and a neutral. (When that is disconnected a light nearby loses power)
All good expect the part about two fuses controlling the live wires in the box.
I am guessing the line you add get connected to the black and white wire on the right?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #602 on: May 28, 2021, 12:10:32 PM »
All good expect the part about two fuses controlling the live wires in the box.
I am guessing the line you add get connected to the black and white wire on the right?
Yup. Any good ideas how to find where the 2 fuses meet?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #603 on: May 28, 2021, 02:08:26 PM »
Yup. Any good ideas how to find where the 2 fuses meet?
I am guessing you there is only one fuse controlling that box.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #604 on: May 28, 2021, 03:36:29 PM »
I am guessing you there is only one fuse controlling that box.
?

Today is Friday but..

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #605 on: May 28, 2021, 03:56:52 PM »
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Today is Friday but..
You said there was two fuses controlling that box or did I misunderstand?
Update I found the box and it turns out it was connected to 2 fuses.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #606 on: May 28, 2021, 04:09:50 PM »
You said there was two fuses controlling that box or did I misunderstand?
That's correct, I just don't understand what you wrote there

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #607 on: May 28, 2021, 04:38:14 PM »
That's correct, I just don't understand what you wrote there
You only have one hot (live) wire coming into the box in the picture. That should be controlled by one fuse.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #608 on: May 28, 2021, 04:55:58 PM »
You only have one hot (live) wire coming into the box in the picture. That should be controlled by one fuse.
Correct. The problem is it's controlled by two. Meaning if either fuse is switched on, the hot will be live (if that the correct way to say it :) ).
That leads me to conclude that some wire somewhere is connecting both fuses together. While I don't believe it's a concern, it would be nice to fix it.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #609 on: May 28, 2021, 05:01:26 PM »
Correct. The problem is it's controlled by two. Meaning if either fuse is switched on, the hot will be live (if that the correct way to say it :) ).
That leads me to conclude that some wire somewhere is connecting both fuses together. While I don't believe it's a concern, it would be nice to fix it.
How did you test it to come to that conclusion?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #610 on: May 28, 2021, 06:01:49 PM »
How did you test it to come to that conclusion?
It's based off when fuse 1 and 2 are off the hot wire shuts off and when fuse 1 or 2 the same wire goes live.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #611 on: May 28, 2021, 07:18:03 PM »
It's based off when fuse 1 and 2 are off the hot wire shuts off and when fuse 1 or 2 the same wire goes live.
I get that part. But how are you testing the wire? You using a meter, the light goes off/on or some other means?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #612 on: May 28, 2021, 07:37:58 PM »
I get that part. But how are you testing the wire? You using a meter, the light goes off/on or some other means?
First tested the light, then used a meter and a non contact voltage tester.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #613 on: May 29, 2021, 07:18:14 AM »
You are probably thinking at this point "man this guy just won't stop". There is a reason and that reason is your safety.

Is this correct:
You turn the light on
Switch fuse 1 to off, light stays on
Switch fuse 2 to off, light goes off
Switch either fuse 1 or 2 by itself on and light goes on

If this is the case then you have two fuses in parallel and it needs to be corrected. Unsafe condition for the appliance and yourself.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #614 on: May 30, 2021, 01:13:58 AM »
Ok thank you and noted. I'm trying to understand the reasoning, can you explain how it would be any different from having a 40 amp fuse?
(Perhaps a link to an article explain why it's unsafe).

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #615 on: May 30, 2021, 01:33:32 AM »
Ok thank you and noted. I'm trying to understand the reasoning, can you explain how it would be any different from having a 40 amp fuse?
(Perhaps a link to an article explain why it's unsafe).
Suppose it is not very different from a 40 amp fuse. A 40 amp fuse is dangerous when the gauge of the wiring requires a 20 or 15 amp fuse. The wiring could be overheating and starting a fire while the fuse refuses to melt down.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #616 on: May 30, 2021, 02:06:48 AM »
Suppose it is not very different from a 40 amp fuse. A 40 amp fuse is dangerous when the gauge of the wiring requires a 20 or 15 amp fuse. The wiring could be overheating and starting a fire while the fuse refuses to melt down.
Good point. Thankfully I don't believe much is attached to it anyway.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #617 on: May 30, 2021, 05:57:52 AM »
Ok thank you and noted. I'm trying to understand the reasoning, can you explain how it would be any different from having a 40 amp fuse?
(Perhaps a link to an article explain why it's unsafe).
Can't find a good article explaining it. If you put 2 x 20 fuses in parallel you won't achieve 40 amps but may get close to it.

As @David R pointed out the wiring is a major concern but also are the switches and outlets. They all have ratings on them. Now you don't need anything attached to them for a failure to happen. You can have a short in the wiring itself to cause a major problem. 

Maybe there is something I am overlooking and you really don't have two fuses in parallel. Either way I would get this checked out ASAP.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #618 on: May 30, 2021, 09:02:18 PM »
Simple temporary safety fix: turned off one fuse.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #619 on: May 30, 2021, 09:12:55 PM »
Simple temporary safety fix: turned off one fuse.
...and see if something else is not working.
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