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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #660 on: September 10, 2021, 05:21:38 PM »
Is the new one 240 also?
Yes, but doesn't have a slot for neutral.
I guess the question is should I wire the neutral to the ground or just snip it. I don't think it makes sense to switch the receptacle to a three prong
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #661 on: September 10, 2021, 06:00:44 PM »
Your wall outlet is 4 prong and the cord from the oven is 3 prong? This is a new oven?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #662 on: September 10, 2021, 06:05:34 PM »
Your wall outlet is 4 prong and the cord from the oven is 3 prong? This is a new oven?
The wall is four prong, the new one (It's a cook and hold) didn't come with a cord, but they only require 3 wires and has no spot for a neutral. Yes it's new.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #663 on: September 10, 2021, 06:08:11 PM »
The wall is four prong, the new one (It's a cook and hold) didn't come with a cord, but they only require 3 wires and has no spot for a neutral. Yes it's new.
You would use the two hots and the ground.
If the oven was using 240 and 120 you would need the neutral wire.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #664 on: September 10, 2021, 06:37:25 PM »
You would use the two hots and the ground.
If the oven was using 240 and 120 you would need the neutral wire.
Can I put the neutral together with the ground or do I just leave it hanging there?

ETA
Another question is a 10ft cable safe to use? It seems UL don't certify them
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #665 on: September 10, 2021, 07:02:23 PM »
Can I put the neutral together with the ground or do I just leave it hanging there?

ETA
Another question is a 10ft cable safe to use? It seems UL don't certify them
The neutral will be on the 4 prong outlet. Leave it alone. On the 4 prong oven cord nothing will be going to the neutral.

What size wire is the cable and how many amps does the oven draw?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #666 on: September 10, 2021, 07:04:59 PM »
What size wire is the cable and how many amps does the oven draw?
I did not buy the cable yet. It's under 30A
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #667 on: September 10, 2021, 07:11:51 PM »
I did not buy the cable yet. It's under 30A
They sell 10ft 30A cables. Just search dryer cables.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/CERTIFIED-APPLIANCE-ACCESSORIES-10-ft-10-3-3-Wire-Closed-Eyelet-30-Amp-Dryer-Cord-90-1028/309370234
ETA: I see what you mean. 10ft not UL certified
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #668 on: September 10, 2021, 07:17:31 PM »
ETA: I see what you mean. 10ft not UL certified
Yup. Also I would need a 4 prong one like this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014KO11O/
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #669 on: September 10, 2021, 07:21:37 PM »
Yup. Also I would need a 4 prong one like this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014KO11O/
The white wire just cut and tape or just tape.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #670 on: September 10, 2021, 07:25:31 PM »
The white wire just cut and tape or just tape.
Thanks for the help GS!
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #671 on: September 10, 2021, 07:38:30 PM »
10ft cord not UL but 25ft extension is.  :)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/AC-WORKS-25-ft-STW-10-3-30-Amp-3-Prong-Dryer-Heavy-Duty-Thick-Extension-Cord-1030PR-025/301636618#product-overview
This product is UL listed and applicable to UL standards and requirements and it includes a 5-year limited warranty.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #672 on: September 12, 2021, 10:07:58 AM »
There are two wires over one of my outside doors that were probably a security light at one point. When I test them one is hot the other is not. When I flip a switch in the garage both of them turn hot. Does that make sense?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #673 on: September 12, 2021, 11:02:51 AM »
There are two wires over one of my outside doors that were probably a security light at one point. When I test them one is hot the other is not. When I flip a switch in the garage both of them turn hot. Does that make sense?
Is there more then one switch? Does another switch make them both not be hot?
It's possible when you turn the switch on its a completing a circuit somewhere (perhaps turning on a light?) and and therefore the neutral would be live.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #674 on: September 12, 2021, 11:22:22 AM »
There are two wires over one of my outside doors that were probably a security light at one point. When I test them one is hot the other is not. When I flip a switch in the garage both of them turn hot. Does that make sense?
You are measuring to ground or metal conduit? What do you get going across the two wires with switch on/off?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #675 on: September 12, 2021, 11:38:27 AM »
Is there more then one switch? Does another switch make them both not be hot?
It's possible when you turn the switch on its a completing a circuit somewhere (perhaps turning on a light?) and and therefore the neutral would be live.


I don't see another switch that would control it but maybe there is one.
You are measuring to ground or metal conduit? What do you get going across the two wires with switch on/off?
I'm measuring with a voltage testing pen. I haven't tried crossing them and probably don't feel comfortable doing so.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #676 on: September 12, 2021, 11:50:01 AM »
I'm measuring with a voltage testing pen. I haven't tried crossing them and probably don't feel comfortable doing so.
No self-respecting DIYer would use one of them.  :)
Don't cross them. I am talking about going across them with a meter. One lead of meter to hot and other lead of meter to neutral.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #677 on: September 12, 2021, 11:52:41 AM »
No self-respecting DIYer would use one of them.  :)
Don't cross them. I am talking about going across them with a meter. One lead of meter to hot and other lead of meter to neutral.
I beg to differ, while not very accurate it's by far the easiest and has it's use cases.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #678 on: September 12, 2021, 12:00:45 PM »
I beg to differ, while not very accurate it's by far the easiest and has it's use cases.
But it could read induced voltage which will make it seem you have a hot wire when you don't. Maybe the new ones are better.
With meters so cheap I would never use a pen.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #679 on: September 12, 2021, 12:24:41 PM »
But it could read induced voltage which will make it seem you have a hot wire when you don't. Maybe the new ones are better.
With meters so cheap I would never use a pen.


I bought it just to check load vs line when changing switches. Link to a decent cheap regular meter?
If it was reading induced current wouldn't both be hot both times?