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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #240 on: December 23, 2018, 03:02:09 PM »
Please post the model number of your cans.
Where is it?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #241 on: December 24, 2018, 11:43:10 AM »
Tried something similar. The lip is inside the can about 3/4 the way up so the metal clips that hold it in place are unable to slide all the way up.

As a last resort then, I'd go back to the retrofit models that have the V-shaped clips and cut them off. Then line the can with double sided foil tape (like the kind for heating ducts) to hold the lights in place.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #242 on: December 24, 2018, 11:59:20 AM »
As a last resort then, I'd go back to the retrofit models that have the V-shaped clips and cut them off. Then line the can with double sided foil tape (like the kind for heating ducts) to hold the lights in place.
Please don't do that. There is no reason why the "V" clips wont work

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #243 on: December 24, 2018, 12:14:34 PM »
As a last resort then, I'd go back to the retrofit models that have the V-shaped clips and cut them off. Then line the can with double sided foil tape (like the kind for heating ducts) to hold the lights in place.
As a last resort, wouldn't it just be easier to replace the cans?
Please don't do that. There is no reason why the "V" clips wont work
How do I get them to slide past the lip?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #244 on: December 24, 2018, 12:21:08 PM »
As a last resort, wouldn't it just be easier to replace the cans? How do I get them to slide past the lip?
What lip? I don't see any! Squeeze the "V" clips so it grabs the 2 brackets (1 on each side) and slide it up

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #245 on: December 24, 2018, 12:49:38 PM »
What lip? I don't see any! Squeeze the "V" clips so it grabs the 2 brackets (1 on each side) and slide it up
The lip is even with the metal plate held up by the bracket. When I remove the plate and the bracket, the clips don't slide all the way up leaving the fixture protruding 1/4 inch from the ceiling.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #246 on: December 24, 2018, 02:08:46 PM »

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #247 on: December 24, 2018, 02:10:09 PM »
As a last resort, wouldn't it just be easier to replace the cans?

Doesn't that seem a lot harder?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #248 on: December 29, 2018, 08:58:22 PM »
Where is it?
Your model is H27RICAT from HALO which is specifically designed for shallow ceilings, so it does not leave you a lot of extra room. Nevertheless, there are LED retrofit models that are specifically documented to be compatible with this model can.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #249 on: December 29, 2018, 09:17:46 PM »
Your model is H27RICAT from HALO which is specifically designed for shallow ceilings, so it does not leave you a lot of extra room. Nevertheless, there are LED retrofit models that are specifically documented to be compatible with this model can.
Thanks! Why would the electrician have used those??
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #250 on: December 29, 2018, 11:54:03 PM »
Your model is H27RICAT from HALO which is specifically designed for shallow ceilings, so it does not leave you a lot of extra room. Nevertheless, there are LED retrofit models that are specifically documented to be compatible with this model can.
Can you link to compatible retrofits?


ETA this looks like it might work https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075LVPF9T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-efkCbFXD72MH
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #251 on: January 03, 2019, 12:36:16 AM »

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #252 on: January 03, 2019, 07:13:18 AM »
Here is the info about your cans: http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en/lighting/products/recessed_general_purpose_downlighting/incandescent/_6_inch_housings/_269338.html

Look for you model towards the bottom of page 2 of this:
http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/dam/public/lighting/products/documents/halo/spec_sheets/halo-lt56-td518042en-sss.pdf

if inside your ceiling there is insufficient height for the regular size  can.
Wow thanks so much. The one I posted above actually fit.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #253 on: January 07, 2019, 08:10:29 AM »
For a regular one way switch to a standard 2 bulb fixture how bad is it if it’s not grounded?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #254 on: January 07, 2019, 01:47:47 PM »
For a regular one way switch to a standard 2 bulb fixture how bad is it if it’s not grounded?
all old electrical light switches don't even have a neutral
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #255 on: January 08, 2019, 01:12:51 AM »
For a regular one way switch to a standard 2 bulb fixture how bad is it if it’s not grounded?
If the switch is not grounded and you touch the metal screw attaching the plate to the switch, or if it has a metal plate if you touch anywhere on the plate, you are at risk of a shock if a hot wire inside the switch has managed to make contact with what should have been grounded.

If your light fixture is on the ceiling, there are very few scenarios that you would be touching it. That would primarily happen when changing a bulb. If a hot wire has made contact with metal that has an electrical connection to the exposed part of the fixture, you can get a shock. To avoid the risk of a shock, turn off the circuit breaker before touching the light fixture.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #256 on: January 08, 2019, 01:18:03 AM »
If the switch is not grounded and you touch the metal screw attaching the plate to the switch, or if it has a metal plate if you touch anywhere on the plate, you are at risk of a shock if a hot wire inside the switch has managed to make contact with what should have been grounded.

If your light fixture is on the ceiling, there are very few scenarios that you would be touching it. That would primarily happen when changing a bulb. If a hot wire has made contact with metal that has an electrical connection to the exposed part of the fixture, you can get a shock. To avoid the risk of a shock, turn off the circuit breaker before touching the light fixture.
If I may ask, how is the hot wire roaming loose? If im not mistaken most put a wire cap on the hot wires and electric tape if needed.
 Not the safest thing to have hot wires running loose in the ceiling.
 Either the braker would blow or God forbid cause an electrical fire if you have exposed wires in your ceiling.   
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #257 on: January 08, 2019, 01:28:11 AM »
If I may ask, how is the hot wire roaming loose? If im not mistaken most put a wire cap on the hot wires and electric tape if needed.
 Not the safest thing to have hot wires running loose in the ceiling.
 Either the braker would blow or God forbid cause an electrical fire if you have exposed wires in your ceiling.   

Here are some examples of how the hot wire is roaming loose:
a mouse has nibbled at the insulation
a cockroach has nibbled at the insulation
some other creature has nibbled at the insulation
the person who installed it accidentally nicked some insulation and either didn't notice or pretended it didn't happen
old age combined with heat has caused the insulation to fray

Subsequently, a change in temperature causes a slight movement of the metal wire, causing it to make contact with some other metal.

If you want to talk about what's the safest thing, it's not the safest thing to forget about grounding either, yet somehow that happened.

If it was properly grounded and then the hot wire made contact with any part that's grounded, that would blow the circuit breaker saving you from getting a shock. But with no grounding, you don't have that protection.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #258 on: January 08, 2019, 02:09:48 AM »
Here are some examples of how the hot wire is roaming loose:
a mouse has nibbled at the insulation
a cockroach has nibbled at the insulation
some other creature has nibbled at the insulation
the person who installed it accidentally nicked some insulation and either didn't notice or pretended it didn't happen
old age combined with heat has caused the insulation to fray

Subsequently, a change in temperature causes a slight movement of the metal wire, causing it to make contact with some other metal.

If you want to talk about what's the safest thing, it's not the safest thing to forget about grounding either, yet somehow that happened.

If it was properly grounded and then the hot wire made contact with any part that's grounded, that would blow the circuit breaker saving you from getting a shock. But with no grounding, you don't have that protection.
Well explained. Thanks.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #259 on: January 08, 2019, 07:33:17 AM »
Here are some examples of how the hot wire is roaming loose:
a mouse has nibbled at the insulation
a cockroach has nibbled at the insulation
some other creature has nibbled at the insulation
the person who installed it accidentally nicked some insulation and either didn't notice or pretended it didn't happen
old age combined with heat has caused the insulation to fray

Subsequently, a change in temperature causes a slight movement of the metal wire, causing it to make contact with some other metal.

If you want to talk about what's the safest thing, it's not the safest thing to forget about grounding either, yet somehow that happened.

If it was properly grounded and then the hot wire made contact with any part that's grounded, that would blow the circuit breaker saving you from getting a shock. But with no grounding, you don't have that protection.
Ok thanks for explaining. It’s an old switch in an old house, if there is now ground wiring in switch box, is there a simple way to ground?