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Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« on: June 11, 2014, 09:59:58 AM »
I have a business meeting in a treif restaurant on Thurs and as much as I love watching people eat, I would like to eat as well.  Does anyone know of any kosher restaurants that would be willing to deliver a double wrapped meal to a treif restaurant? TIA

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 10:02:16 AM »
I have a business meeting in a treif restaurant on Thurs and as much as I love watching people eat, I would like to eat as well.  Does anyone know of any kosher restaurants that would be willing to deliver a double wrapped meal to a treif restaurant? TIA
I'm sure lots will. Just call up your desired store and ask if they can do it.
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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 10:05:37 AM »
I have a business meeting in a treif restaurant on Thurs and as much as I love watching people eat, I would like to eat as well.  Does anyone know of any kosher restaurants that would be willing to deliver a double wrapped meal to a treif restaurant? TIA
The question may be if the traif place will allow a meal from the competition- complete with plasticware - in their restaurant. 
Are you able to pick up your meal on the way?  That might be logistically easier than a delivery.  If not, find a kosher place nearby that's a similar scale/ type - upscale, medium, fast food - and call to ask. 
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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 10:07:19 AM »
I know that abigael's does a lot of this

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014, 10:07:53 AM »
Thank you all for your help.  I called Abigael's, they said it's a big part of their business.  They fax over a menu.  Hope this helps anyone who may have the same problem in the future.

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014, 10:23:45 AM »
Let us know how it goes, I get into this issue at times as well!

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 10:33:45 AM »
I've had this done with business meetings at a clients office in Chicago. They let me pick something off Shallots Bar menu and Shallots delivered it to them on a China Plate, well wrapped.
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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 12:14:36 PM »
did with Prime Grill once, worked out nicely.

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 12:47:23 PM »
Is there a sheila about maris ayin when eating kosher in a non kosher establishment?

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 12:53:12 PM »
Is there a sheila about maris ayin when eating kosher in a non kosher establishment?
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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 01:09:21 PM »
Is there a sheila about maris ayin when eating kosher in a non kosher establishment?
I've asked and been told not a problem . As always, AYLOR

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 01:10:15 PM »
I know that abigael's does a lot of this

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
Is there a sheila about maris ayin when eating kosher in a non kosher establishment?
I knew this question was gonna be asked I was just waiting  to see when and by who

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 03:28:34 PM »

Is there a sheila about maris ayin when eating kosher in a non kosher establishment?

No.

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 04:03:57 PM »
The question was posed in a rhetorical fashion as a kind reminder that a rabbi should be consulted.
There most definitely is a shaila; and though often the meeting is a great necessity and there may be mitigating circumstances, imho it should be discussed with a LOR. 


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The opinion of Harav Moshe Feinstein zt”l32 is that it is forbidden to enter a non-kosher
restaurant because of maris ayin. However, one who is famished, and has nowhere else
to eat (in place of tzar and loss) is allowed to walk into a non-kosher restaurant and eat
any kosher food which they may serve (coffee etc). The reason why entering is permitted
is because one who suffers a great loss may override a rabbinic prohibition to remove his
suffering.33
Based on the above, one who does not have a different place in which to use the
bathroom other than a non-kosher restaurant may enter the non-kosher restaurant to use
their bathroom.
Others are lenient with walking into a non-kosher restaurant to use the bathroom even if
there is another bathroom available.
Attending a meeting in a non-Kosher Restaurant
If one’s boss asks him to meet a client in a non-kosher restaurant, one is permitted to do
so if he will otherwise lose his job. However, if his job is not in jeopardy if he does not go
to the non-kosher restaurant, then he should not go. In any case, one who finds himself in
this situation should discuss it with a Rav.

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 04:08:09 PM »
The question was posed in a rhetorical fashion as a kind reminder that a rabbi should be consulted.
There most definitely is a shaila; and though often the meeting is a great necessity and there may be mitigating circumstances, imho it should be discussed with a LOR. 
Who are you quoting from?

Also, what is the mareh makom for the rav moshe?
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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 04:14:11 PM »
My Rav said its not an issue because people understand that its done

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 04:33:39 PM »
Who are you quoting from?

Also, what is the mareh makom for the rav moshe?
Igros Moshe O.C. 2:40

Interesting write up on the topic here, ask your lor for a pesak though.

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 05:20:21 PM »
The opinion of Harav Moshe Feinstein zt”l is that it is forbidden to enter a non-kosher
restaurant because of maris ayin. However, one who is famished, and has nowhere else
to eat (in place of tzar and loss) is allowed to walk into a non-kosher restaurant and eat
any kosher food which they may serve (coffee etc). The reason why entering is permitted
is because one who suffers a great loss may override a rabbinic prohibition to remove his
suffering.33
Based on the above, one who does not have a different place in which to use the
bathroom other than a non-kosher restaurant may enter the non-kosher restaurant to use
their bathroom.
Others are lenient with walking into a non-kosher restaurant to use the bathroom even if
there is another bathroom available.
Attending a meeting in a non-Kosher Restaurant
If one’s boss asks him to meet a client in a non-kosher restaurant, one is permitted to do
so if he will otherwise lose his job. However, if his job is not in jeopardy if he does not go
to the non-kosher restaurant, then he should not go. In any case, one who finds himself in
this situation should discuss it with a Rav.

Preferable to contact a living rabbi.  Shaylos paskined 30 years ago may no longer be valid...

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Re: Kosher food delivery to treif restaurant NYC
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 05:22:54 PM »


WOw... I don't usually get involved in these discussions but had to chime in here...
I actually got the same psak from Reb Dovid Feinstein not too long ago.
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