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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1380 on: July 24, 2014, 09:51:09 PM »
The rockets didn't start until the Arab was murdered. Your statement is simply not correct.

Either way the comparison isn't accurate, A) the terrorists were probably trying to keep them alive to exchange for prisoners, as painful as that is, it's not the same
as pure, reckless, revenge. B) Jews lived in Muslim countries for hundreds of years peacefully. The hate is educated because they (wrongly) believe we stole their land. If their motive was simply to kill Jews, we all know how easy that is in the US.I at least know my opinion well enough to voice it.
I didn't mean to get into a he-started/he-started-first/he-looked-at-me discussion (if you want to say the rockets only started after the Arab teen was killed, I can say for the same price that the Arab teen was only killed after the 3 teenagers were kidnapped etc. etc.).

My point was at the root of the conflict here, one side wants to live peacefully and securely and one side wants the other dead.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1381 on: July 24, 2014, 10:09:03 PM »
My point was at the root of the conflict here, one side wants to live peacefully and securely and one side wants the other dead.

That's an over simplification.  There are plenty of Israeli Jews that want every Palestinian dead.  I've seen and met people like that firsthand.  Just like there are Palestinians that want nothing other than to live in peace with access to the same things that the Israelis have.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1382 on: July 24, 2014, 10:15:30 PM »
My point was at the root of the conflict here, one side wants to live peacefully and securely and one side wants the other dead.
The average Palestinian wants the same peaceful & secure life (see Jordan, which has the same Palestinian people). Do you think if (heaven forbid) the Israelis were in the same position in siege on a small strip of land they wouldn't be shooting missiles blankly too?

The one thing I'll admit is that I can't believe a Jew would ever use a baby as a human shield. We definitely have the moral high ground from that aspect. (But even the EU where we know there are many anti semites called them out for that.)
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1383 on: July 24, 2014, 10:17:00 PM »
That's an over simplification.  There are plenty of Israeli Jews that want every Palestinian dead.  I've seen and met people like that firsthand.  Just like there are Palestinians that want nothing other than to live in peace with access to the same things that the Israelis have.
I'm talking about the leadership and the stated positions.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1384 on: July 24, 2014, 10:19:35 PM »
I'm talking about the leadership and the stated positions.
But the siege on Gaza isn't only penalizing the leadership.
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1385 on: July 24, 2014, 10:29:54 PM »
The average Palestinian wants the same peaceful & secure life (see Jordan, which has the same Palestinian people). Do you think if (heaven forbid) the Israelis were in the same position in siege on a small strip of land they wouldn't be shooting missiles blankly too?

The one thing I'll admit is that I can't believe a Jew would ever use a baby as a human shield. We definitely have the moral high ground from that aspect. (But even the EU where we know there are many anti semites called them out for that.)
Jordan massacred the palestinians & threw Arafat & his group out of Jordan.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1387 on: July 24, 2014, 10:36:14 PM »
You Pro-Palestinians are seriously demented. The Arabs as a whole are notoriously Anti-Semitic as well as the rest of the world who supports them.

How some of you have more Rachmanus for the murderous Gazans than the 'tziyunim' is beyond belief and beyond comprehension and totally against the basic precept of v'ahavta l'reiacha komocha.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1388 on: July 24, 2014, 10:39:07 PM »
Jordan massacred the palestinians & threw Arafat & his group out of Jordan.
They're the same nation and are perfectly content living in peace in Israel

You Pro-Palestinians are seriously demented. The Arabs as a whole are notoriously Anti-Semitic as well as the rest of the world who supports them.
History disproves you. Jews lived peacefully in many Arab countries for hundreds of years. I personally know Iranians who have nothing but respect to Jews from Theran.
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1389 on: July 24, 2014, 10:42:55 PM »
They're the same nation and are perfectly content living in peace in Israel
History disproves you. Jews lived peacefully in many Arab countries for hundreds of years. I personally know Iranians who have nothing but respect to Jews from Theran.
The Jews in Iran live in terror. They don't dare open their mouth or they're dead.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1390 on: July 24, 2014, 10:43:25 PM »
They're the same nation and are perfectly content living in peace in Israel
History disproves you. Jews lived peacefully in many Arab countries for hundreds of years.
My G-d! Yes, Jews were historically treated better by Muslims than by Christians but they were always second class and very often persecuted. Before 1948, the Arabs massacred Jews in Chevron and elsewhere.

Regardless, the Arabs TODAY are openly anti Semitic, so much as reviving age old anti semitic accusations such as the infamous Matzah blood libel and the like..

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1391 on: July 24, 2014, 10:44:40 PM »

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1392 on: July 24, 2014, 10:46:39 PM »
The Jews in Iran live in terror. They don't dare open their mouth or they're dead.
Now. But not before the the zionsits.
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1393 on: July 24, 2014, 10:47:36 PM »
My G-d! Yes, Jews were historically treated better by Muslims than by Christians but they were always second class and very often persecuted. Before 1948, the Arabs massacred Jews in Chevron and elsewhere.

Jews in Iran, Iraq, Syria and etc were not second class.
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1394 on: July 24, 2014, 10:48:45 PM »

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1395 on: July 24, 2014, 10:51:13 PM »
Jews in Iran, Iraq, Syria and etc were not second class.
Categorically untrue. Look up the definition of dhimmi

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1396 on: July 24, 2014, 10:53:20 PM »
Now. But not before the the zionsits.

Ah, so is this what this is all about? You hate Zionism? Well guess what? I hate it worse than you.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1397 on: July 24, 2014, 10:54:33 PM »
Categorically untrue. Look up the definition of dhimmi
How many Jews and gentiles do you know who lived in muslim countries?

Either way, the muslims were not killing us. We can definitely coexist peacefully.
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1398 on: July 24, 2014, 10:58:22 PM »
The Israelis gave them 24-48 hours to stop the rockets before even firing a shot. Since then there have been 2 ceasefires & they wouldn't even stop for those few hours. As soon as the palestinians want a normal life & stop firing rockets the war is over.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #1399 on: July 24, 2014, 11:00:19 PM »
How many Jews and gentiles do you know who lived in muslim countries?
All I can say is that it is really sad when Jews begin justifying anti-semites and antisemitism. Its a prime example of Stockholm syndrome.