Author Topic: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD) (Read 293713 times)

alpicone · « **Reply #1460 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:03:06 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 12:41:33 PM

i agree. the problem is they have dead women and children and you can't pass them off as terrorist. this is a media battle that can't be won.

I am not sure what the current breakdown is now, but when the death toll was 370, 80% were men and from the men 50% of them were between the ages of 18-28. You make make your own deductions...

Israel claims to have killed Hamas terrorists but reports say only 99% are civilian women and children. If 80% killed were men how are there 99% women and children civilians?

aygart · « **Reply #1461 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:04:41 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 01:00:07 PM

i guess I remember what happen in Iraq and Afghanistan differently every time a stray missile killed innocent civilians.

Of course it was on the news, but there was no serious discussion of war crimes or saying that they were unjustified.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1462 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:08:39 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 25, 2014, 01:04:41 PM

Of course it was on the news, but there was no serious discussion of war crimes or saying that they were unjustified.

just ever nutcase/liberal in the US used it for justification to pull out.

aygart · « **Reply #1463 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:09:52 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 25, 2014, 01:03:01 PM

Right now my map is showing a rocket which was shot around 20 minutes ago and is now over Italy (!) and still going. I guess the software does not deal with going into the water properly.

When opened in a different browser it doesn't show it so i guess it is since it didn't explode it "kept going"

It disappeared sopmewhere over Italy while I was on a different tab

aygart · « **Reply #1464 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:13:20 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 01:08:39 PM

just ever nutcase/liberal in the US used it for justification to pull out.

That is what you call serious?

Also, the main argument was American deaths

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1465 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:16:04 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 25, 2014, 01:13:20 PM

That is what you call serious?

i don't take the war crimes talk serious.

aygart · « **Reply #1466 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:22:56 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 25, 2014, 01:13:20 PM

Also, the main argument was American deaths

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 01:16:04 PM

i don't take the war crimes talk serious.

WHen it is taken up by the UN inhuman wrongs council and their empowered tyrants that is already much more serious than anything from the US wars.

ilherman · « **Reply #1467 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:23:06 PM »

@gr8_guy claims that Israel rejected the ceasefire. I believe at this point it's the right decision.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #1468 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:25:03 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on July 25, 2014, 01:23:06 PM

@gr8_guy claims that Israel rejected the ceasefire. I believe at this point it's the right decision.

Hmmm Hamas rejected the last 3, all of the sudden they'll accept it when THEY'RE ready?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1469 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:28:16 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 25, 2014, 01:22:56 PM

WHen it is taken up by the UN inhuman wrongs council and their empowered tyrants that is already much more serious than anything from the US wars.

you are correct when compared with the US wars. the thing is I don't take anything the UN does as serious. they are powerless.

Toasted · « **Reply #1470 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:41:33 PM »

Maybe belongs in the halacha thread. Is it ok to read Israeli news sites which are being updated on Shabbos?

aygart · « **Reply #1471 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:44:07 PM »

Looks like large barage now

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #1472 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:44:27 PM »

Quote from: Toasted on July 25, 2014, 01:41:33 PM

Maybe belongs in the halacha thread. Is it ok to read Israeli news sites which are being updated on Shabbos?

We went through this last week...

ETA: Here

aygart · « **Reply #1473 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:46:41 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 01:28:16 PM

you are correct when compared with the US wars. the thing is I don't take anything the UN does as serious. they are powerless.

It is still a driver of world opinion and media attention since they are wrongly given credibility.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1474 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:48:23 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 25, 2014, 01:46:41 PM

It is still a driver of world opinion and media attention since they are wrongly given credibility.

Israel needs to do what is in their best interest and stop worrying about world opinion.

Aaaron · « **Reply #1475 on:** July 25, 2014, 01:52:09 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 01:48:23 PM

Israel needs to do what is in their best interest and stop worrying about world opinion.

I used to agree with that, but it seems that there's a very blurry line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, and the former increases the latter on a worldwide scale.

SPLP · « **Reply #1476 on:** July 25, 2014, 02:00:12 PM »

"Israel needs to do what is in their best interest and stop worrying about world opinion"

Quote from: Aaaron on July 25, 2014, 01:52:09 PM

I used to agree with that, but it seems that there's a very blurry line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, and the former increases the latter on a worldwide scale.

So how do you suggest Israel handle the rockets and tunnels ?

need ZERO tolerance for above-how do you attain it?

aygart · « **Reply #1477 on:** July 25, 2014, 02:02:39 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2014, 01:48:23 PM

Israel needs to do what is in their best interest and stop worrying about world opinion.

+1

Aaaron · « **Reply #1478 on:** July 25, 2014, 02:03:25 PM »

Quote from: SPLP on July 25, 2014, 02:00:12 PM

"Israel needs to do what is in their best interest and stop worrying about world opinion"

So how do you suggest Israel handle the rockets and tunnels ?

need ZERO tolerance for above-how do you attain it?

I think they keep doing what they're doing. But I think they also have to focus heavily on the PR aspect.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #1479 on:** July 25, 2014, 02:04:50 PM »

Quote from: Aaaron on July 25, 2014, 01:52:09 PM

I used to agree with that, but it seems that there's a very blurry line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, and the former increases the latter on a worldwide scale.

Doing what it needs to do without worrying about world opinion will actually improve world opinion. When you are always second-guessing yourself your enemies will be quick to exploit that...