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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2060 on: August 07, 2014, 09:08:27 PM »
Cease-fire over early? Siren in Kerem Shalom.

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2061 on: August 07, 2014, 09:41:02 PM »
Cease-fire over early? Siren in Kerem Shalom.
Confirmed by IDF Spokesman.

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2062 on: August 07, 2014, 11:18:12 PM »
So who else here thinks that a Holocaust can realistically happen again?

This may be overly simplistic, but who says things have to be complicated:

I always thought that with today's instantaneous-media-environment, it would be impossible to "get away" with mass genocide.

But someone sent me today a video of ISIS rounding up people and blowing their heads off. Yes, you see all this in the video. Yet the world remains silent.

There's no question that anti-semitism still exist, and that most of the people claiming to be anti-zionists are really just good old anti-semites.

So if the world does not stop genocide from happening to people that they don't necessarily hate, who is to say that they will stop genocide from happening to people that they do indeed hate?

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2063 on: August 07, 2014, 11:23:42 PM »
So who else here thinks that a Holocaust can realistically happen again?

This may be overly simplistic, but who says things have to be complicated:

I always thought that with today's instantaneous-media-environment, it would be impossible to "get away" with mass genocide.

But someone sent me today a video of ISIS rounding up people and blowing their heads off. Yes, you see all this in the video. Yet the world remains silent.

There's no question that anti-semitism still exist, and that most of the people claiming to be anti-zionists are really just good old anti-semites.

So if the world does not stop genocide from happening to people that they don't necessarily hate, who is to say that they will stop genocide from happening to people that they do indeed hate?
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2064 on: August 07, 2014, 11:32:11 PM »
So who else here thinks that a Holocaust can realistically happen again?
To think it's impossible would be very delusional given Israels small foot print and the prolificacy of nuclear weapons

I think the Europeans always hated us, but N American & Asia have no history of anti-Semitism. Perhaps the Maidoffs amongst us can stir it up, but I still think America's strong separation of powers and common courtesy make it unlikely (that doesn't rule out anti bris laws & etc). I would be more worried about America falling apart financially as a result of increasing entitlement and stupid foreign policy.

I think I saw once a vort, possibly, from the daughter of the brisker rav that ומסדר את הכוכבים במשמורתיהם כרצונו refers to hashem switching around the world order every few centuries…
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2065 on: August 07, 2014, 11:35:07 PM »
To think it's impossible would be very delusional given Israels small foot print and the prolificacy of nuclear weapons

I think the Europeans always hated us, but N American & Asia have no history of anti-Semitism. Perhaps the Maidoffs amongst us can stir it up, but I still think America's strong separation of powers and common courtesy make it unlikely (that doesn't rule out anti bris laws & etc). I would be more worried about America falling apart financially as a result of increasing entitlement and stupid foreign policy.
"Strong separation of powers" under obama??
It's all his hail to the "king"!
He doesn't know of any limits! Everything just is fairly his & he's always right,  my way or no way.
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2066 on: August 07, 2014, 11:40:59 PM »
"Strong separation of powers" under obama??
It's all his hail to the "king"!
He doesn't know of any limits! Everything just is fairly his & he's always right,  my way or no way.
....

Call me naive but I still believe if he was personally involved in crimes the FBI will get to him sooner or later. The IRS scandal is not over yet. And yes congress has stopped him many times.

For all his faults, he's done quite a few good things. The current US-Africa Forum in DC is an absolutley excellent program to (finally) entrench US influence in Africa… He put together $10b commitments from companies to invest there.

He just succeeded in preventing Walgreens from a reverse tax inversion (moving off shore to avoid paying US corp tax, like Apple and everyone else does). They lost 14% of their value over the decision! Can't say I support it but that's good for the country.

I also (ducking) believe he genuinely wanted to help Israel (in 2009 at least). His bias was simply to make a name for himself.
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2067 on: August 07, 2014, 11:42:53 PM »
Call me naive but I still believe if he was personally involved in crimes the FBI will get to him sooner or later. The IRS scandal is not over yet. And yes congress has stopped him many times.

For all his faults, he's done quite a few good things. The current US-Africa Forum in DC is an absolutley excellent program to (finally) entrench US influence in Africa… He put together $10b commitments from companies to invest there.

He just succeeded in preventing Walgreens from a reverse tax inversion (moving off shore to avoid paying US corp tax, like Apple and everyone else does). They lost 14% of their value over the decision! Can't say I support it but that's good for the country.
That's a needle in a haystack compared to the weekly scandals. & the FBI is totally lost. There's known terror training camps here in the US that they're ignoring, but they want to monitor news stories about themselves to see if it's positive or not.

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2068 on: August 07, 2014, 11:44:50 PM »
Call me naive but I still believe if he was personally involved in crimes the FBI will get to him sooner or later. The IRS scandal is not over yet. And yes congress has stopped him many times.

For all his faults, he's done quite a few good things. The current US-Africa Forum in DC is an absolutley excellent program to (finally) entrench US influence in Africa… He put together $10b commitments from companies to invest there.

He just succeeded in preventing Walgreens from a reverse tax inversion (moving off shore to avoid paying US corp tax, like Apple and everyone else does). They lost 14% of their value over the decision! Can't say I support it but that's good for the country.
No ur "prob" not naive on the FBI part,  though I hope the IRS scandal subpoena's turn over some good rocks...
About the Africa summit i belie there was a piece today in drudge not so happy about it.

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2069 on: August 07, 2014, 11:46:37 PM »
I can't decide if he's genuinely good guy that just "never" gets it right or he really wants to just RULE

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2070 on: August 07, 2014, 11:47:07 PM »
That's a needle in a haystack compared to the weekly scandals.
Such as?

Hiring a clown as the Norwegian ambassador is a very arrogant and selfish move, but I wouldn't consider illegal in a way where we'd except the separation of powers to come into play.
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2071 on: August 07, 2014, 11:48:17 PM »
I can't decide if he's genuinely good guy that just "never" gets it right or he really wants to just RULE
Ultimately he just wants to play basketball in the white house. But from his perspective healthcare really is a great thing, reduced involvement in foreign affairs, etc
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2072 on: August 07, 2014, 11:51:44 PM »
About the Africa summit i belie there was a piece today in drudge not so happy about it.
Weren't all the republicans saying that we should support despots when they advance American interests in the middle east? The issue is more his hypocrisy than anything else.
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2073 on: August 07, 2014, 11:54:28 PM »
Such as?

Hiring a clown as the Norwegian ambassador is a very arrogant and selfish move, but I wouldn't consider illegal in a way where we'd except the separation of powers to come into play.
Come on; fast & furious slow slow response (if any) to illegal/undocumented aliens.

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2074 on: August 08, 2014, 12:17:31 AM »
Come on; fast & furious slow slow response (if any) to illegal/undocumented aliens.
Not sure what you mean. Illegal immigrants have been here long before Obama
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2075 on: August 08, 2014, 12:44:49 AM »
So who else here thinks that a Holocaust can realistically happen again?
Not possible in today’s environment.
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2076 on: August 08, 2014, 12:53:25 AM »
Not possible in today’s environment.
The environment is changing very fast (regardless if you believe in climate change or not)

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2077 on: August 08, 2014, 01:00:00 AM »
The environment is changing very fast (regardless if you believe in climate change or not)
For those so closely involved in this situation on so many different levels I fully understand why they would feel that way. Perception is not always reality.
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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2078 on: August 08, 2014, 01:00:54 AM »
Not possible in today’s environment.
Why? Why are we letting ISIS blow people's heads off?

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Re: Israel War News (3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist! HYD)
« Reply #2079 on: August 08, 2014, 01:04:49 AM »
Why? Why are we letting ISIS blow people's heads off?
Maybe because not many even know about this or who ISIS is. When you say "we" are you referring to the US.
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