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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #420 on: August 20, 2014, 01:34:49 PM »
Bigger question is there's any real meat in their burgers.
I believe Horse is considered meat.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #421 on: August 20, 2014, 01:42:43 PM »
I believe Horse is considered meat.
No issur hanaah
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #422 on: August 20, 2014, 01:47:57 PM »
No issur hanaah
But Basar Vachalav does.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #423 on: August 20, 2014, 01:50:20 PM »
But Basar Vachalav does.
Not if the bassur is horse meat

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #424 on: August 20, 2014, 01:50:31 PM »
Not with basar tamei
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #425 on: August 20, 2014, 01:54:44 PM »
Good point!

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #426 on: August 20, 2014, 01:55:30 PM »
now this thread became a halacha duscussion  :D
#TYH

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #427 on: August 20, 2014, 01:59:32 PM »
CV would have loved this thread...

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #428 on: August 20, 2014, 02:02:31 PM »
Actually, a McDonald's cheeseburger is not basar tamei. It's b'sar neveila.

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Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #429 on: August 20, 2014, 02:03:55 PM »
Actually, a McDonald's cheeseburger is not basar tamei. It's b'sar neveila.
not if they use horse meat. And even if it is neveila it's a machlokes if it's assur b'hanuh (altz bassur v'chalov)

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #430 on: August 20, 2014, 02:17:39 PM »

Kol Isha, count all Shulchan Aruch observing Jews out.
Point well taken. Last night we got lucky and there was only one act (the final one) which featured a woman singing. I stepped out for that as I would have for any other act that required so.
That being said, if you go to any sporting event there is kol isha/ dancers/ cheerleaders... Doesn't mean you shouldn't go - just step out or turn away when necessary.
And for the record - Shulchan aruch observing Jews are dan l'kaf zechus.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #431 on: August 20, 2014, 02:27:07 PM »
Point well taken. Last night we got lucky and there was only one act (the final one) which featured a woman singing. I stepped out for that as I would have for any other act that required so.
That being said, if you go to any sporting event there is kol isha/ dancers/ cheerleaders... Doesn't mean you shouldn't go - just step out or turn away when necessary.
And for the record - Shulchan aruch observing Jews are dan l'kaf zechus.
I wasn't talking directly to you. Don't take it personal.

I promise you, if you'd ask Rav Yosef Karo if you should go to an AGT event, he would tell you no.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #432 on: August 20, 2014, 02:50:26 PM »
Would he let you go to the watch the knicks city dancers? 

Or listen to fill in the blank sing the national anthem?

As I wrote point well taken - one must be cognizant of these issues.  Doesn't mean you can't entertain yourself with what IS permitted.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #433 on: August 20, 2014, 03:51:27 PM »
Would he let you go to the watch the knicks city dancers? 

Or listen to fill in the blank sing the national anthem?

As I wrote point well taken - one must be cognizant of these issues.  Doesn't mean you can't entertain yourself with what IS permitted.

And that is the deeper question... not whether it is permitted or not, but whether it is entertaining or not. Yiras shamayim doesn't mean depriving myself of fun, it means changing my definition of fun. Or better yet, growing up and realizing that the stuff I used to think was fun is actually kind of lame compared to real fun.

Unfortunately we see a lot now days that there is one camp that says, "Have your Judaism and have your fun, just remember to daven mincha at the 7th inning stretch," and another camp that says, "We don't need no fun! We have Judaism!"

Very few truly strive for the true ideal which is that my Yiddishkeit is my fun.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #434 on: August 20, 2014, 03:56:39 PM »
Yiras shamayim doesn't mean depriving myself of fun, it means changing my definition of fun.
You're saying that things that are Assur aren't fun? Do you have a source for that?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #435 on: August 20, 2014, 04:06:18 PM »
Agreed. I don't think anyone will debate that. What irks me is in the discussion of permissibility when ppl make distinctions this show/video/event/... is permitted and this one isn't just to rationalize in their minds that's what they do is correct and then spew it to the public as if that's the rules.
In a discussion of what we each should strive for (which this isn't)  one should strive to be able to realize the true taanug. 

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #436 on: August 20, 2014, 04:17:37 PM »
No need to be jealous if you can't eat MD's.  :)
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #437 on: August 20, 2014, 04:18:06 PM »
Agreed. I don't think anyone will debate that. What irks me is in the discussion of permissibility when ppl make distinctions this show/video/event/... is permitted and this one isn't just to rationalize in their minds that's what they do is correct and then spew it to the public as if that's the rules.
In a discussion of what we each should strive for (which this isn't)  one should strive to be able to realize the true taanug.
I do debate that, please quote a source. Very strong statement to say that whatever is Assur isn't fun.

The correct statement would be that man isn't created to pursue fun.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #438 on: August 20, 2014, 04:26:55 PM »
I do debate that, please quote a source. Very strong statement to say that whatever is Assur isn't fun.

I never said that. I just said that as you grow up and become a mentsch, you realize that what you thought was so awesome is really not so awesome. I don't need a makor for that! When you were five, you went nuts for a roll of Winkies. When you were fifteen you grew out of that. Winkies are still geshmak, just not as geshmak as you thought.

The correct statement would be that man isn't created to pursue fun.

I agree with you. That is Toras HaBaal Shem Tov, that the purpose of life is to give Hashem nachas, not me. However, Ramchal will disagree and say that the purpose of life is to pursue fun... just fun in olam habah known as s'char. But like I already said, I agree with you.   

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #439 on: August 20, 2014, 04:32:27 PM »
I never said that.


Seems to me you did
not whether it is permitted or not, but whether it is entertaining or not. Yiras shamayim doesn't mean depriving myself of fun, it means changing my definition of fun. Or better yet, growing up and realizing that the stuff I used to think was fun is actually kind of lame

I agree with you. That is Toras HaBaal Shem Tov, that the purpose of life is to give Hashem nachas, not me. However, Ramchal will disagree and say that the purpose of life is to pursue fun... just fun in olam habah known as s'char. But like I already said, I agree with you.   
My point, and I have a feeling you know it, was that in this world one's responsibility isn't to pursue 'fun'. (furthermore, though I may be wrong I don't believe that's what the Ramchal says. The idea of  נהמא דכיסופא is that Hashem created us to be able to give us pleasure, however after we have torah & mitzvos the mission is only to comply with Ratzon hashem, not to try to get enjoyment by complying w ration hashem)

I just said that as you grow up and become a mentsch, you realize that what you thought was so awesome is really not so awesome. I don't need a makor for that! When you were five, you went nuts for a roll of Winkies. When you were fifteen you grew out of that. Winkies are still geshmak, just not as geshmak as you thought.
That doesn't mean the kid didn't 100% enjoy the winkies. So likewise here, listening to the shiktza can be 100% entertaining & fun yet the ultimate schar is greater.
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