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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #540 on: September 01, 2014, 06:59:15 PM »
that is utter nonsense
Obviously! Please show me how utterly nonsensical that is, show me where it's paskened lehalacha.
do you have a source for a different pshat than the literal one and the one that many learned rabbis from previous generations have learned?
Show me your pshat and I'll show you mine.
you will rarely find those terms being used its a very delicate issue and the guidlines may vary, i have heard different shitos as to exactly when we can say it. but according to no definition can one apply it to our disscussion
Can I use the "utter nonsense" quote here?

chazal
Kofer is chazal what? And I mistakingly thought that kfira is in Hashem.
untill this line i was under the impression you may have some background yedios to your point, what does the rambam have to do with being koifer in chazal? nowwhere does it say that a psak from the rambam or shulchan aruch ect... has those guidelines  on the contrary we find that it can be said about them that a taos was made
Nice to know that up untill this point I did leave some impression... Thanks.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #541 on: September 01, 2014, 07:06:32 PM »
source for what, literal definition?
its no different than all the rest of bavli ,yerushalmi or medrash thats not brought in shulchan aruch the literal meaning is ussaully the correct one unless you will find mefarshim with a different explanaition or it doesnt make sense . you probably wont find this gemara brought other than in mussar/machshava seforim which is mostly common over the past 150 years or so
You quoted rabbis of previous generations. Who are they?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #542 on: September 01, 2014, 07:14:40 PM »


Obviously! Please show me how utterly nonsensical that is, show me where it's paskened lehalacha.
Aruch Hashulchan 21.1
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #543 on: September 01, 2014, 07:15:49 PM »
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #544 on: September 01, 2014, 07:18:14 PM »
Obviously! Please show me how utterly nonsensical that is, show me where it's paskened lehalacha.
a statement from a gemara does not need to be brought in shulchan aruch to be true, on the contrary every statement made by chazal is true unless  cleary paskened otherwise from another source
Show me your pshat and I'll show you mine.
as i said before mine is literal def and brought in that form by rabbis in mussar hashkafa seforim


Kofer is chazal what? And I mistakingly thought that kfira is in Hashem.
correct , you made a mistake, there are different madraigas in kefira, some of them being  kofer be'ikor is in hashem there is koifer betoras moshe, and being koifer in chazal is olso referred to as kefira
Can I use the "utter nonsense" quote here?

you can, it would be consistent to your previous comments. do some researsch and you will find out otherwise

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #545 on: September 01, 2014, 07:20:32 PM »
Nuuuuuuuu
(didnt mean to avoid the q)sorry i do not have enough yedios to answer that question and my guess is not worth a grain of salt

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #546 on: September 01, 2014, 07:22:31 PM »


as i said before mine is literal def and brought in that form by rabbis in mussar hashkafa seforim
Such as
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #547 on: September 01, 2014, 07:25:16 PM »
(didnt mean to avoid the q)sorry i do not have enough yedios to answer that question and my guess is not worth a grain of salt
According to your line of reasoning and your reading of the gemara is it a question?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #548 on: September 01, 2014, 07:46:11 PM »
You quoted rabbis of previous generations. Who are they?
i wiill look when i can, i was repeating from what i have seen in the past
According to your line of reasoning and your reading of the gemara is it a question?
i dont understand what you mean

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #549 on: September 01, 2014, 08:27:01 PM »
Aruch Hashulchan 21.1
Out of all poskim, rishonim, achronim, Rambam, Rif, Rosh, Tur, BY, Rema, they all omitted it by mistake, but you found one Aruch HaShulchan that mentions it, good for you!

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #550 on: September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM »
a statement from a gemara does not need to be brought in shulchan aruch to be true, on the contrary every statement made by chazal is true unless  cleary paskened otherwise from another source
We're not talking about truth here, we're talking halacha, and the first thing you learn in halacha 101 is that you can't pasken straight out of a gemara. Unless נשתנו העתים and nowadays we do pasken from gemara, I apologize if that's the case and I didn't get the memo.

as i said before mine is literal def and brought in that form by rabbis in mussar hashkafa seforim
Mussar and hashkafa seforim does not halacha make.

correct , you made a mistake, there are different madraigas in kefira, some of them being  kofer be'ikor is in hashem there is koifer betoras moshe, and being koifer in chazal is olso referred to as kefira
I still don't get what I'm kofer in, kofer in the fact that every word of chazal is paskened lehalacha? that every shita in chazal should be followed? that certain halachos change based on certain circumstances?

you can, it would be consistent to your previous comments. do some researsch and you will find out otherwise
I know, because up untill now I've repeatedly said that the only reason you're wrong is because I say otherwise.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #551 on: September 01, 2014, 09:05:39 PM »
i wiill look when i can, i was repeating from what i have seen in the pasti dont understand what you mean
If you take the gemara as literally as you seem to be taking it then it would be hard to consider a shortcut to be an oneis
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #552 on: September 01, 2014, 09:12:24 PM »
Out of all poskim, rishonim, achronim, Rambam, Rif, Rosh, Tur, BY, Rema, they all omitted it by mistake, but you found one Aruch HaShulchan that mentions it, good for you!
the Rif does bring it.
Btw, the Chofetz Chaim brings it in Be'er Mayim Chaim as well. Need to look up exact place.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #553 on: September 01, 2014, 10:03:16 PM »
I think we are losing site of the main point of this thread.... cholov akum. Just wanted to remind you.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #554 on: September 01, 2014, 10:04:56 PM »
I think we are losing site of the main point of this thread.... cholov akum. Just wanted to remind you.
of course that's a given
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