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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #560 on: September 01, 2014, 10:31:09 PM »
it's in Minchas Shlomo. Need to find siman.
Where?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #563 on: September 02, 2014, 04:16:33 PM »

(didnt mean to avoid the q)sorry i do not have enough yedios to answer that question and my guess is not worth a grain of salt
Yet you were quite willing to call people reshaim :o
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #564 on: September 02, 2014, 10:43:09 PM »

R S Z Auerbach uses similar reasoning to be matir walking behind a woman in the street since it is common for women to be in the street these days
nothing similar about it a) he doent say "times have changed and the halacha doesnt apply" he says the mechaber says pagah and when its not a situation of pagah it would maybe be muttar. that would be then as well as now if there was a situation then that it would have been common it would be muttar he is clearly saying that the mechaber says that the halacha was based on a situation and if that changes then the halacha would change
b)he clearly doesnt rely on this for a heter he adds another heter and then says for a mitzva its muttar
c)the isur is olso by ones wife like rashi explains its a genai, when chazall give a reason its easier to say the reason doesnt apply so maybe the hallacha doesnt apply
but when chazal tell us one who choose a path where he can be nichshal is a rasha that never changes like rashi explains the gemara ו שלא היה לו לקרב אלא להרחיק מן העבירה דקיימא לן
 (חולין לף מל הרחק מן הכיעור
Yet you were quite willing to call people reshaim :o
אדם קורא לחבירו רשע יורד עמו לתוך חייו
i think i made myself pretty clear that i was in response to the idea of going to agt that would constitute the case of the gemara calling him a rasha. you were asking somthing entirely different, can he be considered a ones  if he is going that way due to a shortcut. meaning you are saying there can be three different cases either he needs to be at point b or he needs to go this way to get to point b, but the third scenario that he want to walk this way just cuz he njoys walkining on the sefas of the nehar i am certain is asur he would not be called a ones and say ones rachmana .. going to agt is comparred to the third scenario

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #565 on: September 02, 2014, 11:10:36 PM »
And if he can go a way that is a bit longer?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #566 on: September 02, 2014, 11:14:06 PM »
This thread is so off topic.  >:(

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #567 on: September 02, 2014, 11:15:32 PM »
Don't worry, it will all get back to cholov akum
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #568 on: September 02, 2014, 11:16:35 PM »
Don't worry, it will all get back to cholov akum

Yay!  ;D

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #569 on: September 02, 2014, 11:33:20 PM »
And if he can go a way that is a bit longer?
is this not what we previously discussed

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #570 on: September 03, 2014, 12:05:27 AM »
It is, but it is not any of the three cases you mention. He does not NEED to be at the sfas nahar since he can easily go the longer way. He is going that way because he wants to go the more convenient way.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #571 on: September 03, 2014, 10:17:36 AM »
It is, but it is not any of the three cases you mention. He does not NEED to be at the sfas nahar since he can easily go the longer way. He is going that way because he wants to go the more convenient way.
I love the way you make stuff up as you go. If darka achrina applies to a longer way as well אם כן אין לדבר סוף. There will always be a longer way to get to someplace.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #572 on: September 03, 2014, 10:19:19 AM »
I love the way you make stuff up as you go. If darka achrina applies to a longer way as well אם כן אין לדבר סוף. There will always be a longer way to get to someplace.
what did I make up?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #573 on: September 03, 2014, 10:32:19 AM »
That if there's a longer way it's still considered איכא דרכא אחרינא.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #574 on: September 03, 2014, 10:45:53 AM »
Where did I write that? I wrote that according to his strict interpretation of requiring full oneis it should be that way.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #575 on: September 03, 2014, 10:56:26 AM »
Where did I write that? I wrote that according to his strict interpretation of requiring full oneis it should be that way.
Sorry, I lost track who said what. I was referring to what 'dans fan' was implying that one is supposed to take a longer way when confronted with a נשים העומדות על הכביסה scenario.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #576 on: September 03, 2014, 05:24:25 PM »
Sorry, I lost track who said what. I was referring to what 'dans fan' was implying that one is supposed to take a longer way when confronted with a נשים העומדות על הכביסה scenario.
i never said such a thing
I love the way you make stuff up as you go. If darka achrina applies to a longer way as well אם כן אין לדבר סוף. There will always be a longer way to get to someplace.
first of all who said that you dont have to go the longer way
second, i very clearly said its possible that if he needs to get to point b then there is a amount that chazal would not be matriach him to go out of his way
but your twisted pshat in the gemara thats oxi moronic that you made up just not to feel guilty is def wrong

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #577 on: September 03, 2014, 05:36:05 PM »
Where did I write that? I wrote that according to his strict interpretation of requiring full oneis it should be that way.
i think i already made very clear one does not need to be a full ones. i said that the gemara is probably referring to a case that he needs  to be at his destination and we want to know how much does he have to be matriach to not put himself in a bad situation scenario 2 is he doesnt need to be at the destination but going the other way would have finacial or other strains, what does he do. thats all thats at question here but if his destination is the nehar because he njoys the walk there that is not called leka darka... and i said agt is like the third case

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #578 on: September 03, 2014, 07:04:27 PM »
So exactly where are you staying the line and what is your source to say that wanting to walk a few minutes less id's better than wanting some entertainment or relaxation? How about a trip to Florida?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #579 on: September 04, 2014, 02:21:35 PM »
Sorry, I lost track who said what. I was referring to what 'dans fan' was implying that one is supposed to take a longer way when confronted with a נשים העומדות על הכביסה scenario.
i never said such a thing
Implying is the key word here.


first of all who said that you dont have to go the longer way
Nobody said you do.
second, i very clearly said its possible that if he needs to get to point b then there is a amount that chazal would not be matriach him to go out of his way
And what would that amount be?
but your twisted pshat in the gemara thats oxi moronic that you made up just not to feel guilty is def wrong
Please specify which pshat I said you don't agree with. If I've erred in my ways I'd like to be corrected.

Thanks.