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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #180 on: June 22, 2014, 06:37:27 AM »

Because this would never be accepted in ultra orthodox circles. Would you want your 12 year old son hanging out with this guy?

Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored. Where are the threads devoted to them? Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #181 on: June 22, 2014, 06:39:25 AM »
Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored.
You think there are more pedophilies in the U OX community? Didn't YU just have a pretty serious story?

Where are the threads devoted to them?
Pretty sure there are a few here somewhere

Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
Thank you for the personal attack, but you're wrong, I care more about pedophiles than this.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #182 on: June 22, 2014, 06:40:26 AM »
Wasn't meant to be personal. Just not sure why this is picked on so much.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #183 on: June 22, 2014, 06:43:30 AM »

You think there are more pedophilies in the U OX community? Didn't YU just have a pretty serious story?
Pretty sure there are a few here somewhere
Thank you for the personal attack, but you're wrong, I care more about pedophiles than this.

Show me. Guess I haven't figured out to search button.

The point is that one Jewish kid from clearly a not very "frum" family made jokes on TV and now all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. The generalization is ridiculous. The story is pretty harmless and it's time to move on.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #184 on: June 22, 2014, 06:44:26 AM »
Show me. Guess I haven't figured out to search button.

The point is that one Jewish kid from clearly a not very "frum" family made jokes on TV and now all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. The generalization is ridiculous. The story is pretty harmless and it's time to move on.
Nobody meant to include all modox. The discussion is about his community and more specifically his school.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #185 on: June 22, 2014, 06:50:00 AM »
Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored. Where are the threads devoted to them? Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
Short answer is that although sadly some of the above exist, they are abhorred by the community and their actions are not condoned.

This boy's actions seem to be fine in his community judging by a) the responses of some people and b) the fact that he went on and did it.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #186 on: June 22, 2014, 06:50:27 AM »

Nobody meant to include all modox. The discussion is about his community and more specifically his school.

You can say that now... Not what you and others were saying a few posts ago. I'll butt out and let everyone continue talking about how this is the end of the world but I tend to think there are other things to be more concerned with.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #187 on: June 22, 2014, 06:51:13 AM »
You can say that now... Not what you and others were saying a few posts ago. I'll butt out and let everyone continue talking about how this is the end of the world but I tend to think there are other things to be more concerned with.
Show me where I said otherwise, I certainly didn't mean to.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #188 on: June 22, 2014, 06:52:33 AM »

Show me where I said otherwise, I certainly didn't mean to.


I'm sure I misunderstood...

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #189 on: June 22, 2014, 08:35:44 AM »

Short answer is that although sadly some of the above exist, they are abhorred by the community and their actions are not condoned.

This boy's actions seem to be fine in his community judging by a) the responses of some people and b) the fact that he went on and did it.
you're wrong on both counts

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #190 on: June 22, 2014, 08:46:52 AM »

It is pretty evident from this episode, that within the modox community, there are often no safeguards to protect innocent children from exposure to depravity, violence or explicit content.. This is ruining children everyday!

Your premise is that the boy came about this stuff on his own from some "content" presumedly you mean TV and other forms of media which he was not safeguarded from. I'm pretty sure it was posted up thread that the father performed the same routine in the past and clearly just fed this material to his son. From this one family you're now generalizing to the entire "modern orthodox" community. Seems fair.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #191 on: June 22, 2014, 08:50:04 AM »
you're wrong on both counts
Are you seriously suggesting the ultra orthodox community condones pedophily?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #192 on: June 22, 2014, 08:51:30 AM »
I've seen the cover ups more then once

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #193 on: June 22, 2014, 08:53:04 AM »
Are you seriously suggesting the ultra orthodox community condones pedophily?
some look at not exposing (AKA we will handle it ourselves) it as the same thing. learn from others mistakes not make the same ones.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #194 on: June 22, 2014, 08:56:02 AM »
I've seen the cover ups more then once
Do you not understand the difference between condoning and covering up?
some look at not exposing (AKA we will handle it ourselves) it as the same thing. learn from others mistakes not make the same ones.
Thats like saying red and yellow are the same thing. The fact that both are wrong doesn't mean they're the same.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #195 on: June 22, 2014, 08:58:39 AM »
Do you not understand the difference between condoning and covering up?

Thats like saying red and yellow are the same thing. The fact that both are wrong doesn't mean they're the same.
where have I heard this logic/defense before?  :'(
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #196 on: June 22, 2014, 09:22:22 AM »

Do you not understand the difference between condoning and covering up?
no.
There is no difference.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #197 on: June 22, 2014, 09:32:55 AM »
you're wrong on both counts
Speak for yourself. I know that I and all of my peers and rabbis condemn and abhor any acts of child abuse, no matter who the perpetrator is. If you are familiar with people that think or act otherwise, you probably shouldn't acquaint yourself with them.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #198 on: June 22, 2014, 09:46:52 AM »
I think this thread has gone off to an unhealthy topic which will go nowhere.   Let's stop while we are only as little bit behind.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #199 on: June 22, 2014, 09:48:29 AM »
Speak for yourself. I know that I and all of my peers and rabbis condone and abhor any acts of child abuse, no matter who the perpetrator is. If you are familiar with people that think or act otherwise, you probably shouldn't acquaint yourself with them.

No one condones it. But when push comes to shove it's not handled the right way AT all most of the time.  And even in the most surprising of communities where you'd expect better by now  it's usually the victim who ends up having to 'run away'.
Meanwhile that isn't the point. At all.
Every sect of people does something wrong. People in every sect do things wrong. The problem is any one person thinking they are better than others for all the wrong reasons.
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