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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #200 on: June 22, 2014, 09:53:43 AM »
condone - accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #201 on: June 22, 2014, 09:54:36 AM »
You all must mean condemn not condone.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #202 on: June 22, 2014, 09:55:16 AM »
condone - accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.
The word they needed was condemn

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #203 on: June 22, 2014, 09:58:13 AM »
Yup.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #204 on: June 22, 2014, 10:11:11 AM »
Mesira is just another Aveira that modoxy doesn't care about I guess.
Not musering isn't the same as condoning. Anyone caught, while not given over to jail which is against Torah in 99% of circumstances, these people are shunned. They are the lepers in the community. They won't make a single normal shidduch.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #205 on: June 22, 2014, 10:52:24 AM »
Mesira is just another Aveira that modoxy doesn't care about I guess.
Not musering isn't the same as condoning. Anyone caught, while not given over to jail which is against Torah in 99% of circumstances, these people are shunned. They are the lepers in the community. They won't make a single normal shidduch.
so the standard is that their children who did nothing wrong get punished:o
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #206 on: June 22, 2014, 10:55:24 AM »
so the standard is that their children who did nothing wrong get punished:o

Sadly, children always pay for the transgressions of their parents. However, it's only the symptom of them being shunned. Easy to point out.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #207 on: June 22, 2014, 11:04:46 AM »
I understand, but that its an unfortunate side effect and I wouldn't use that as the example. Give a better one.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #208 on: June 22, 2014, 11:40:34 AM »
Covering up doesn't equate to condoning, it's extremely different.

For example, if, Gd forbid, I see my son stealing, I wouldn't call the cops, yet I clearly am not condoning it. Even if you think the right thing is to call the cops, it's very different by any objective measure. That was Chaiml;s point.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #209 on: June 22, 2014, 11:48:08 AM »

Covering up doesn't equate to condoning, it's extremely different.

For example, if, Gd forbid, I see my son stealing, I wouldn't call the cops, yet I clearly am not condoning it. Even if you think the right thing is to call the cops, it's very different by any objective measure. That was Chaiml;s point.

And what if you saw him kill someone?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #210 on: June 22, 2014, 12:40:26 PM »
And what if you saw him kill someone?

I guess that would depend upon the likelihood of it happening again. Either way it's a completely different question than actually encouraging it.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #211 on: June 22, 2014, 12:43:31 PM »
so the standard is that their children who did nothing wrong get punished:o
Just like a mamzer. It is not about punishment it is self defense.

An individuals rights aren't a reason for the rest of society to suffer. That kid is telling those jokes to his friends and that's completely unacceptable.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #212 on: June 22, 2014, 12:55:46 PM »
Just like a mamzer. It is not about punishment it is self defense.

An individuals rights aren't a reason for the rest of society to suffer. That kid is telling those jokes to his friends and that's completely unacceptable.
??? What in the world does that have to duo with what I wrote?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #213 on: June 22, 2014, 02:52:15 PM »
I guess that would depend upon the likelihood of it happening again.
i hope you are not serious.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #214 on: June 22, 2014, 07:48:32 PM »
Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored. Where are the threads devoted to them? Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
So immature.
Every time there's any discussion about anything, these trolls talking about "is it worse than pedophiles"?

I am absolutely against protecting pedophiles. But what does it have to do with the discussion at hand?

Why do you feel the need to change the subject?

It is so frustrating having conversations with filibusterers!  ::)


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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #215 on: June 22, 2014, 07:56:04 PM »
So immature.
Every time there's any discussion about anything, these trolls talking about "is it worse than pedophiles"?

I am absolutely against protecting pedophiles. But what does it have to do with the discussion at hand?

Why do you feel the need to change the subject?

It is so frustrating having conversations with filibusterers!  ::)

You're right I am a troll. I will delete all my posts and pretend that one 12 year old kid getting up and repeating some jokes his father fed to him is the worst thing to happen to the Jewish people and indicates that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. Why don't you read through through some of the things that have just been said on this thread and chose to quote my post again. I will not be opening this thread again as it is doing no good, just keep trolling along. This forum is for travel and credit card advice as well as deals. Every time I get involved in any threads of a different nature I see very quickly how little value there is.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #216 on: June 22, 2014, 07:58:00 PM »
Mesira is just another Aveira that modoxy doesn't care about I guess.
Not musering isn't the same as condoning. Anyone caught, while not given over to jail which is against Torah in 99% of circumstances, these people are shunned. They are the lepers in the community. They won't make a single normal shidduch.
You are misinformed. There are Teshuvos from Rav Elyashiv and many leading Poskim that Pedophiles should be handed over to the government.


But why are we getting off of subject?

This video is a direct outcome of the MO community's attitudes and beliefs. IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN A NON-MO COMMUNITY!

Let's not let a filibuster about pedophiles take away form the issue at hand.




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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #217 on: June 22, 2014, 07:58:45 PM »
You're right I am a troll. I will delete all my posts and pretend that one 12 year old kid getting up and repeating some jokes his father fed to him is the worst thing to happen to the Jewish people and indicates that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. Why don't you read through through some of the things that have just been said on this thread and chose to quote my post again. I will not be opening this thread again as it is doing no good, just keep trolling along. This forum is for travel and credit card advice as well as deals. Every time I get involved in any threads of a different nature I see very quickly how little value there is.
The conversation was great till you brought up the silly pedophile argument.

No one said this shows that " that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible".
But let's call a spade a spade, it would only happen in MO. Period.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #218 on: June 22, 2014, 08:52:41 PM »
I told you guys several days ago, it's the cholov akum. How can you expect not to have timtum hamoach when you drink that stuff?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #219 on: June 22, 2014, 08:54:49 PM »
I told you guys several days ago, it's the cholov akum. How can you expect not to have timtum hamoach when you drink that stuff?
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