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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #220 on: June 22, 2014, 10:54:12 PM »
No one condones it. But when push comes to shove it's not handled the right way AT all most of the time.  And even in the most surprising of communities where you'd expect better by now  it's usually the victim who ends up having to 'run away'.
Meanwhile that isn't the point. At all.
Every sect of people does something wrong. People in every sect do things wrong. The problem is any one person thinking they are better than others for all the wrong reasons.
that is your opinion. (im not saying i disagree with that opinion but its an opinion none the less)

This dirty joke thing is not an opinion from the fact that most if not all the people here were saying they are surprised bec the kid is 12 years old nothing to do with being jewish.

Making your point invalid, in my OPINION.

Lets not mix opinions up with facts. (in my opinion)

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #221 on: June 23, 2014, 12:49:43 AM »
The conversation was great till you brought up the silly pedophile argument.

No one said this shows that " that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible".
But let's call a spade a spade, it would only happen in MO. Period.
+1 There are many issues in every community. The objective of this thread is not to exposes the flaws of our communities nor is it meant to prove one is better than the other.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #222 on: June 23, 2014, 12:26:58 PM »
I know I shouldn't be responding, but......

I know a modern orthodox social worker who is involved in the Chasidish community and has many chasidik clients. Many of the women she counsels reference fifty shades of grey and assume she has read it. She would not read it in a million years.

A few points to consider.
1) There is a large range of "Modern Orthodoxy." To paint the girls wearing tefillin in Ramaz/Westchester day school kid telling dirty jokes and the yungeleit learning at YU with the same brush is like painting the pedophiles and the erliche rabbonim with the same brush.
2) While the modern orthodox community is a lot more overtly open to technology and the modern world, if you honestly believe that kids in yeshivish/chassidic communities are sheltered from all this stuff  then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you(outside of Sqvar, they have gone to unbelievable measures to cut themselves off from the outside world and have been very successful. But if you think the same can be done in Brooklyn as they can do in nowheresville Monsey...).
3) I haven't (and won't) watch the video in the OP, but I can assure you that frum MO would not approve of such things.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #223 on: June 23, 2014, 01:13:01 PM »
I know I shouldn't be responding, but......

I know a modern orthodox social worker who is involved in the Chasidish community and has many chasidik clients. Many of the women she counsels reference fifty shades of grey and assume she has read it. She would not read it in a million years.

A few points to consider.
1) There is a large range of "Modern Orthodoxy." To paint the girls wearing tefillin in Ramaz/Westchester day school kid telling dirty jokes and the yungeleit learning at YU with the same brush is like painting the pedophiles and the erliche rabbonim with the same brush.
2) While the modern orthodox community is a lot more overtly open to technology and the modern world, if you honestly believe that kids in yeshivish/chassidic communities are sheltered from all this stuff  then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you(outside of Sqvar, they have gone to unbelievable measures to cut themselves off from the outside world and have been very successful. But if you think the same can be done in Brooklyn as they can do in nowheresville Monsey...).
3) I haven't (and won't) watch the video in the OP, but I can assure you that frum MO would not approve of such things.
i dont think anyone is disagreeing with any of those points.

Answer for me this one question, which is the point of everyone here, can you picture this happening in any other community besides the mo?

This does NOT mean ALL mo people are painted with the same brush, nor should they be. Neither should all the ultra orthos be painted with the same brush.

The bottom line is the mo are more "modern" (not bad) and its hard to imagine that this would have happened in the ultra ortho areas. NOT That they dont know these jokes or that they would not say them to each other, or enjoy the jokes whilst watching this kid, BUT rather IT IS HARDER TO IMAGINE that they would get up on agt, say these jokes AND have the parents encouraging him on.

Does anyone argue with any of these facts?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #224 on: June 23, 2014, 01:30:03 PM »
Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
the chances of this happening in a more open setting are greater. can we now move on?
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #225 on: June 23, 2014, 01:32:03 PM »
i dont think anyone is disagreeing with any of those points.

Answer for me this one question, which is the point of everyone here, can you picture this happening in any other community besides the mo?

This does NOT mean ALL mo people are painted with the same brush, nor should they be. Neither should all the ultra orthos be painted with the same brush.

The bottom line is the mo are more "modern" (not bad) and its hard to imagine that this would have happened in the ultra ortho areas. NOT That they dont know these jokes or that they would not say them to each other, or enjoy the jokes whilst watching this kid, BUT rather IT IS HARDER TO IMAGINE that they would get up on agt, say these jokes AND have the parents encouraging him on.

Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
Who freakin cares?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #226 on: June 23, 2014, 01:32:32 PM »
i dont think anyone is disagreeing with any of those points.
Speak for yourself. I don't think that everyone agrees with you.

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Answer for me this one question, which is the point of everyone here, can you picture this happening in any other community besides the mo?

This does NOT mean ALL mo people are painted with the same brush, nor should they be. Neither should all the ultra orthos be painted with the same brush.

The bottom line is the mo are more "modern" (not bad) and its hard to imagine that this would have happened in the ultra ortho areas. NOT That they dont know these jokes or that they would not say them to each other, or enjoy the jokes whilst watching this kid, BUT rather IT IS HARDER TO IMAGINE that they would get up on agt, say these jokes AND have the parents encouraging him on.

Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
I don't disagree with those facts, but I don't think it would happen in Teaneck either.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #227 on: June 23, 2014, 02:04:10 PM »
Who freakin cares?
i clearly do.
the chances of this happening in a more open setting are greater. can we now move on?
soon, not ready yet.

Shall i pm you when i am ready?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #228 on: June 23, 2014, 02:08:47 PM »
soon, not ready yet.
can we move on to how in a closed setting things are easier to cover up?  :P
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #229 on: June 23, 2014, 09:26:06 PM »



This boy's actions seem to be fine in his community judging by a) the responses of some people and b) the fact that he went on and did it.

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #230 on: June 23, 2014, 09:32:16 PM »

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him
Glad to hear that.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #231 on: June 23, 2014, 10:03:09 PM »

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him
Great! I hope he get's thrown out on his head.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #232 on: June 23, 2014, 10:12:33 PM »
Great! I hope he get's thrown out on his head.
I would rather the pressure get him to think a little
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #233 on: June 23, 2014, 10:40:13 PM »
I would rather the pressure get him to think a little
+1
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Here's for hoping he declines participating in the next round and makes a KH out of it.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #234 on: June 23, 2014, 11:44:27 PM »
+1
חטאים ולא חוטאים

Here's for hoping he declines participating in the next round and makes a KH out of it.
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #235 on: June 23, 2014, 11:57:29 PM »
והזדים מהרה תעקר
A זד IS A לץ -
זדים הליצוני
-1
That is not the teitch.
Zed means a rasha

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #236 on: June 23, 2014, 11:58:31 PM »

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him

The rabbi needs cajoling? Sad

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #237 on: June 24, 2014, 12:04:46 AM »
-1
That is not the teitch.
Zed means a rasha
I've seen Mefarshim that explain zed as  a letz type rasha.
Another Pasuk that supports this - זד יהיר לץ שמו" -  משלי כא כד"


זדים הליצוני
זד יהיר לץ שמו
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #238 on: June 24, 2014, 12:08:25 AM »
IIRC, I've seen Mefarshim that explain zed as  a letz type rasha.
IIRC "reshaim made fun of me" the reshoim here are indeed leitzonim but that is not the definition of their rishus..

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #239 on: June 24, 2014, 12:11:11 AM »
Another Pasuk that supports this - זד יהיר לץ שמו" -  משלי כא כד"


זדים הליצוני
זד יהיר לץ שמו

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