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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #260 on: June 26, 2014, 08:09:06 PM »
While the school distanced itself from Orlian’s jokes, the email made it clear that they fully support him and his family. The email on to praise the middle schooler, calling him an “otherwise exemplary child who has made his school and his teachers proud many times over.”  The email also lauded Orlian’s parents, who were honored by Westchester Hebrew High School as parents of the year this past year, as “parents who have been leaders in their community.”

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #261 on: June 26, 2014, 08:12:54 PM »
And now you know why it's related to MO. Because in a non MO orthodox school, the kid would have been expelled. Shame on Lookstein.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #262 on: June 26, 2014, 08:29:49 PM »
Shame on Lookstein.
You know what they say about the apple and the tree...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 08:46:49 PM by Ergel »
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #263 on: June 26, 2014, 08:48:33 PM »
You know what they say about the apply and the tree...
He's the other Lookstien's son?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #264 on: June 26, 2014, 08:49:07 PM »
Can we get along on something here?
Love me or hate me. I still love you.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2014, 08:55:28 PM »
Can we get along on something here?
Yup. I think we all agree that he shouldn't have gone up on that stage with this material.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #266 on: June 26, 2014, 08:59:26 PM »
And now you know why it's related to MO. Because in a non MO orthodox school, the kid would have been expelled. Shame on Lookstein.
what would they gain from expelling him? The damage is done.
From here on they could try to help him know what was wrong with his performance and try to build him into a better person for the future.

Is that maybe why there's such a high rate of teens at risk in the orthodox, bec instead of encouraging people that aren't following the straight line of frum protocol they just throw the guy out and disconnect from them

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #267 on: June 26, 2014, 09:10:52 PM »
what would they gain from expelling him? The damage is done.
From here on they could try to help him know what was wrong with his performance and try to build him into a better person for the future.

Is that maybe why there's such a high rate of teens at risk in the orthodox, bec instead of encouraging people that aren't following the straight line of frum protocol they just throw the guy out and disconnect from them
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #268 on: June 26, 2014, 09:14:01 PM »
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau
who's the dass torah deciding that this is as bad as a zonah?

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #269 on: June 26, 2014, 09:14:48 PM »
This is the conversation from upthread
And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech.
When 2 people are having a discussion/argument, and one of them says "And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech" - to me that's a signal that all intelligent dialogue will end from there on.


But honestly, you're blaming children going OTD,  on an attitude that a Shul should throw out a family that made a "Ve'idas Znus" in front of millions of people, and were Mechalel shem shomayim befarhesia?
I agree. Excuse the comment. I was just venting.


Nothing is ever black and white. The truth is none of us can give any opinion until we know the facts. Who the family is, where they go to shul and what their connection with Gd and religion is.
Throwing someone out isn't necessarily helpful to him or the congregation.

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #270 on: June 26, 2014, 09:15:02 PM »
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau
Can you please stop abusing chazal

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #271 on: June 26, 2014, 09:15:17 PM »
who's the dass torah deciding that this is as bad as a zonah?
It's not - no ones recommending sekilah  ;D

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #272 on: June 26, 2014, 09:15:55 PM »
Can you please stop abusing chazal
I'm sorry that your opinion is that I'm abusing Chazal.

(BTW, the Torah wasn't written by ChaZaL. Are you from "open" orthodoxy? [MO's child]  ;) )

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #273 on: June 26, 2014, 09:16:22 PM »
I don't know if he should expelled or not (I would be noteh not to).
I do know he and his parents shouldn't be extolled in the letter
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 09:20:10 PM by Ergel »
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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #274 on: June 26, 2014, 09:20:00 PM »
I'm sorry that your opinion is that I'm abusing Chazal.
And I am sorry that you are so quick to throw Jews out... how about the chazal that says יצחק loved עשו more than יעקב be caused he hoped the love would bring him back/closer to G-d. Maybe you should focus more on those type f chazals

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #275 on: June 26, 2014, 09:20:28 PM »
I don't know if he should expelled or not (I would be noteh not to).
I do know he and his parents shouldn't be extolled in the letter
Agree

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #276 on: June 26, 2014, 09:21:46 PM »
I'm sorry that your opinion is that I'm abusing Chazal.

(BTW, the Torah wasn't written by ChaZaL. Are you from "open" orthodoxy? [MO's child]  ;) )
It wasn't but we follow chazal to understand how and when to apply each Torah concept -hence the abuse of chazal

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #277 on: June 26, 2014, 09:22:39 PM »
Applying a halacha in the Torah to fit your agenda sounds more like open orthodoxy to me

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #278 on: June 26, 2014, 09:28:27 PM »
And I am sorry that you are so quick to throw Jews out... how about the chazal that says יצחק loved עשו more than יעקב be caused he hoped the love would bring him back/closer to G-d. Maybe you should focus more on those type f chazals
I'm not "so quick" to throw Jews out.

But I believe this is an impeachable offense.

You know and I know that every non MO school would have thrown out this boy. So please stop trying to paint me as an extremist.


(Btw, where's this chazal that you quoted about Yitchak and Esav?
You do know that Chazal refers to the sages of the Talmud and Midrash?)

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Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
« Reply #279 on: June 26, 2014, 09:34:32 PM »
I'm not "so quick" to throw Jews out.

But I believe this is an impeachable offense.

You know and I know that every non MO school would have thrown out this boy. So please stop trying to paint me as an extremist.


(Btw, where's this chazal that you quoted about Yitchak and Esav?
You do know that Chazal refers to the sages of the Talmud and Midrash?)
My rebbeim taught me that we only kick a kid out of school for one reason only: if he is bringing down the other kids. There's no such thing as an impeachable offense.
Unfortunately the fact that most yeshivas would throw him out doesn't mean much....