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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #220 on: March 27, 2019, 09:56:32 PM »
Is that true in NJ too?
prob gives you a chance to go through the refresher as well, not sure though.
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #221 on: April 28, 2019, 07:45:39 PM »
Any courses starting now that end before camp season?

Checked emegency care and quickest is 3 months. Anything like. 6-8 week course?

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #222 on: April 28, 2019, 09:30:59 PM »
Any courses starting now that end before camp season?

Checked emegency care and quickest is 3 months. Anything like. 6-8 week course?
B&H look like they have one starting tomorrow ending June 20th

http://www.bhemt.org/emt-original1.html

Usually you can still get in especially if you can make it by tomorrow

Good luck with it!

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #223 on: April 29, 2019, 12:47:45 AM »
B&H look like they have one starting tomorrow ending June 20th

http://www.bhemt.org/emt-original1.html

Usually you can still get in especially if you can make it by tomorrow

Good luck with it!

thanks for the info!

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #224 on: July 08, 2019, 01:55:09 PM »
Purely out of curiosity -

I have heard that Hatzolah liability coverage for members personal vehicles when responding to calls is secondary coverage.  (meaning they"ll pickup whatever the person's primary coverage won't pay).

Doesn't sounds right to me.

Anyone know definitively?

@hvaces42  maybe?
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #225 on: July 08, 2019, 02:49:08 PM »
Purely out of curiosity -

I have heard that Hatzolah liability coverage for members personal vehicles when responding to calls is secondary coverage.  (meaning they"ll pickup whatever the person's primary coverage won't pay).

Doesn't sounds right to me.

Anyone know definitively?

@hvaces42  maybe?
No idea what their liability policy covers.

Why doesn't it sound right it's your personal vehicle you have to have your own coverage they don't provide coverage.
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #226 on: July 12, 2019, 09:35:02 AM »
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?

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« Reply #227 on: July 12, 2019, 09:55:08 AM »
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?
good question. I'll respond in depth as soon as I can in full detail
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #228 on: July 12, 2019, 04:32:42 PM »
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?

I know in the the Catskills, hatzalah responds to local calls under mutual aid, but I don't know if they request also. My guess is that they do when they know they can't get there faster.

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #229 on: July 14, 2019, 01:19:28 AM »
Any interest in an EMT course in LA?

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #230 on: July 15, 2019, 12:11:27 AM »
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?
formal policy - Generally not. Firstly the 911 system (I'm a 911 volly) is inconsistent at best in most areas, while it doesn't hurt for them to request the "system" most won't do it until they really need to.

Your father's case -

Either they already knew that few members were around (a weekend in the summer perhaps) or more likely they tried and failed to get any units to respond.
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #231 on: July 15, 2019, 12:13:34 AM »
I know in the the Catskills, hatzalah responds to local calls under mutual aid, but I don't know if they request also. My guess is that they do when they know they can't get there faster.
they go mutual to the system unfortunately quite often (depending on the neighborhood) in Rockland county (Monsey) they never "roll" BLS jobs (EMTs) but request medics from 911 at least once a day. Other neighborhoods I'm not as familiar with, but for example Flatbush the last while has been calling 911 quite often.
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #232 on: July 15, 2019, 01:27:26 AM »
they go mutual to the system unfortunately quite often (depending on the neighborhood) in Rockland county (Monsey) they never "roll" BLS jobs (EMTs) but request medics from 911 at least once a day. Other neighborhoods I'm not as familiar with, but for example Flatbush the last while has been calling 911 quite often.

I responded to one call (as local EMS) where hatzolah was actually first on scene and iirc did transport (there were several patients).

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #233 on: July 16, 2019, 12:41:19 AM »
I responded to one call (as local EMS) where hatzolah was actually first on scene and iirc did transport (there were several patients).
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« Reply #234 on: July 16, 2019, 12:30:18 PM »
formal policy - Generally not. Firstly the 911 system (I'm a 911 volly) is inconsistent at best in most areas, while it doesn't hurt for them to request the "system" most won't do it until they really need to.

Your father's case -

Either they already knew that few members were around (a weekend in the summer perhaps) or more likely they tried and failed to get any units to respond.
Formal policy or not, practically speaking in Brighton Beach, Coney Island and neighborhoods not covered by regular members they will call 911 after trying 4 or 5 times to get a first responder or units for a bus. Once the system is activated they will ask for a first responder to go until the system gets there. I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

As far as mutual aid goes in the Catskills they will respond to calls for mutual aid, mainly medic calls, but I have yet to hear them ask for mutual aid other than the chopper. There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic. 
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #235 on: July 16, 2019, 05:10:47 PM »
Formal policy or not, practically speaking in Brighton Beach, Coney Island and neighborhoods not covered by regular members they will call 911 after trying 4 or 5 times to get a first responder or units for a bus. Once the system is activated they will ask for a first responder to go until the system gets there. I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

As far as mutual aid goes in the Catskills they will respond to calls for mutual aid, mainly medic calls, but I have yet to hear them ask for mutual aid other than the chopper. There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic.

So patients who care most about response times over other potential benefits of Hatzalah really need to know patterns/areas to determine whether they should call 9-1-1 or Hatzalah. That does not sound like an amazing system.

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« Reply #236 on: July 16, 2019, 05:16:05 PM »
I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

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ETA from a 911 call is never under 6 minutes, so regardless hatzolah will be there first.
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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #237 on: July 16, 2019, 05:27:49 PM »
[quote author=hvaces42 link=topic=42812.msg2113964# I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.


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ETA from a 911 call is never under 6 minutes, so regardless hatzolah will be there first.

Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.

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Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
« Reply #238 on: July 16, 2019, 06:19:43 PM »
Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.
With lights and sirens it shouldn't be more than 8 minutes from the furthest parts of the Jewish community.
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« Reply #239 on: July 16, 2019, 06:22:22 PM »
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