EMT MASTER THREAD

[hvaces42]

The benefit of accepting unmarrieds.
ETA from a 911 call is never under 6 minutes, so regardless hatzolah will be there first.

Thats a falsity.

As is this.

Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.

[hvaces42]

With lights and sirens it shouldn't be more than 8 minutes from the furthest parts of the Jewish community.

Is that a guess or are you talking from experience? Because i have the experience of having been in ellenville for 7 years and can tell you that the VTL does not allow you to drive recklessly. So no way you're making Ellenville in 8 minutes much less Kerhonkson.

[shaulyaakov]

Thats a falsity.

As is this.

What part of what I said is false?

[grodnoking]

Is that a guess or are you talking from experience? Because i have the experience of having been in ellenville for 7 years and can tell you that the VTL does not allow you to drive recklessly. So no way you're making Ellenville in 8 minutes much less Kerhonkson.

I was quoting the queens part.

[Yehuda25]

Formal policy or not, practically speaking in Brighton Beach, Coney Island and neighborhoods not covered by regular members they will call 911 after trying 4 or 5 times to get a first responder or units for a bus. Once the system is activated they will ask for a first responder to go until the system gets there. I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

As far as mutual aid goes in the Catskills they will respond to calls for mutual aid, mainly medic calls, but I have yet to hear them ask for mutual aid other than the chopper. There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic.

yup, different neighborhoods, different rules, different coverage.  Though the Q has been rolling some jobs, and having someone respond from 20/30 mins out is basically rolling it:)

40 minutes, that's insane. Mobile medic can respond much quicker (usually) unless they didn't have a medic truck anywhere near (doubtful) or Hatzolah felt medics weren't really needed for the job. Because if mobile medic comes it's a nice big hard bill.

[Yehuda25]

Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.

best option usually is to call both.

[Yehuda25]

Is that a guess or are you talking from experience? Because i have the experience of having been in ellenville for 7 years and can tell you that the VTL does not allow you to drive recklessly. So no way you're making Ellenville in 8 minutes much less Kerhonkson.

he was referring to the Queens part. And don't you know that  there's a exception for Hatzolah in the VTL

https://youtu.be/BC3JoOV4ALY

[shaulyaakov]

best option usually is to call both.

Out of curiosity, will 9-1--1 bill if hazalah is on scene when thru get there? Irelevent for my point about people who only care about response time but just curious.

[hvaces42]

What part of what I said is false?

Hatzolah being there first. And that Hatzolah has cutoff times for response. I have heard response times of 15-20 minutes to Great Neck regularly.

[hvaces42]

Out of curiosity, will 9-1--1 bill if hazalah is on scene when thru get there? Irelevent for my point about people who only care about response time but just curious.

Hatzolah will bill too 

What does that mean?

[shaulyaakov]

Hatzolah will bill too 

What does that mean?

If someone is having a serious medical episode, I assume they care more about who gets there first vs. the cost.

Hatzalah charges or was that a joke? The one time I called them (Wahi) they were hesitant to even telle how to make a donation!

[grodnoking]

If someone is having a serious medical episode, I assume they care more about who gets there first vs. the cost.

Hatzalah charges or was that a joke? The one time I called them (Wahi) they were hesitant to even telle how to make a donation!

Queens bills now

[hvaces42]

Queens bills insurance onlynow

FTFY

As do other neighborhoods

[shaulyaakov]

FTFY

As do other neighborhoods

Is that allowed? If customers have a copay, dobt they need to pay it?

[hvaces42]

Is that allowed? If customers have a copay, dobt they need to pay it?

Insurance and Medicare/Medicaid require that they send a bill. They do not require that it be paid by the patient.

[zh cohen]

Queens bills now

If I'm not mistaken, Catskills only bills for transport, not the medic

[Yehuda25]

I'll explain.


Soft bill - company takes with the insurance gives them and forgive the rest. There is no reason for any organization not to be doing this.


Hard bill -regular medical bill, has to be paid in full.

[Yehuda25]

If I'm not mistaken, Catskills only bills for transport, not the medic

gets tricky. You may be only able to bill for ALS if a transport was done

[Yehuda25]

gets tricky. You may be only able to bill for ALS if a transport was done

even if eventually released to BLS

[Boruch Parnes]

Is that allowed? If customers have a copay, dobt they need to pay it?

Its charged through hospital no copays paitent dosent even know about it   and its all neighborhoods not only queens