Politically and economically where do you guys stand?

[Aaaron]

Fyi conservatives are not agains feeding the poor! they're not against food stamps,  medicaid, etc.
they just want to help u go off it unlike the dems that want more ppl on it!
THAT'S BAD!!!

Spoken like a real clear thinker. 

[clear thinker]

Spoken like a real clear thinker. 

Tnx!

[Expert Flyer]

Spoken like a real clear thinker. 

The problem is that conservatives are still want to grow the government too. In their own way.
The worst are, of course, the Democrats

[clear thinker]

In which way do conservatives want to grow the government?
Foreign policy? National defense?
"Aderabe" go for it! We need a very very strong military!
"Speak softly and carry a big stick".....

[menachem_m]

In which way do conservatives want to grow the government?

Who started the EPA? DHS? Medicare Part D?
Can you name one thing of anywhere remotely near significance in which they have shrunk government?

[clear thinker]

And who decided bush is a conservative??
Not growing & shrinking are diff things..
Remember there is always an opposition party!
As long as it's not obama who has no regard of the law a president will always have to take in acct the opposing party.

[clear thinker]

Reagan in his yrs cut all the non military programs in "significant" amounts!  He cut federal assistance to local governments by 60%!
Now that's a conservative!

[Expert Flyer]

There is a difference between defense spending and military spending

[Expert Flyer]

For example; most conservatives still want to continue the war on drugs and believe that we should intervene in foreign countries while these actions don't do anything for our security

[zale]

Interestingly, Judaism has a little of each.

The Torah is very liberal and even socialist when it comes to charity. Halacha speaks of a tax that community members have to pay toward a charity fund (Kupah). This may sound socialist or communist to some, but this is Halacha. (see: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/986710/jewish/Matnot-Aniyiim-Chapter-9.htm)

On the other hand, the Torah is very conservative on spending. Halacha requires that the poor do not spend beyond their means: "עשה שבתך חול ואל תצטרך לבריות".

Halacha also does not believe that the Plan B pill is considered "murder". There are Rabbonim who would give a heter to use it under certain circumstances.

The Torah is very conservative when it comes to war. The Torah requires that we take whatever measures necessary to ensure the security of OUR troops, even if it means that "innocent civilians" in enemy territory will die in the process.

[Expert Flyer]

Charity is not socialism. The individual decides to who he donates his money.
And we are meant to give up to 10%, not 40-50% of our income

[zale]

Charity is not socialism. The individual decides to who he donates his money.
And we are meant to give up to 10%, not 40-50% of our income

Incorrect. The trustees of the Kupah decide what each individual is to give. This is mandatory.

You are speaking of an individual who wishes to give charity voluntarily.

Not to mention Bikkurim, Reishis Hagez, Peter Chamor, Pidyon Haben, Teruma, Ma'aser Rishon, Leket, Shickchah, Peah etc..

[Expert Flyer]

Are you serious? On the same way a cohen has no right to tresspass your property and grab what he believes to be his truma, nobody can access your wallet.
halacha commands us to help the needy. It does not say that we should reach into other people's bank-accounts by force.

It boggles my mind when people believe that stealing money from others through taxation to redistribute it to others is compassion.
Tzedaka is an act of kindness, not violence.

[zale]

Are you serious? On the same way a cohen has no right to tresspass your property and grab what he believes to be his truma, nobody can access your wallet.
halacha commands us to help the needy. It does not say that we should reach into other people's bank-accounts by force.

It boggles my mind when people believe that stealing money from others through taxation to redistribute it to others is compassion.
Tzedaka is an act of kindness, not violence.

Stop Dreying A Kup.

Halacha 12
When a person has lived in a city for 30 days, we compel him to give charity to the kupah together with the inhabitants of the city.27 If he dwelled there for three months, we compel him to contribute to the tamchui.28 If he dwelled there for six months, we compel him to contribute to the fund used to clothe the poor of the city. If he dwelled there for nine months, we compel him to contribute to the fund used for the burial of the poor of the city and the provision of all their burial needs.29

Besides, are you aware of the famous sugya of תקפו כהן?

Yes, the Torah does believe in forced taxation to redistribute your money to the poor and needy.

[clear thinker]

Costco pulled the new book "america imagine the world without her" by Dinesh D'souza
Interesting to see how libs have no problem enforcing "free speach"......

[clear thinker]

Stop Dreying A Kup.

Halacha 12
When a person has lived in a city for 30 days, we compel him to give charity to the kupah together with the inhabitants of the city.27 If he dwelled there for three months, we compel him to contribute to the tamchui.28 If he dwelled there for six months, we compel him to contribute to the fund used to clothe the poor of the city. If he dwelled there for nine months, we compel him to contribute to the fund used for the burial of the poor of the city and the provision of all their burial needs.29

Besides, are you aware of the famous sugya of תקפו כהן?

Yes, the Torah does believe in forced taxation to redistribute your money to the poor and needy.

I do believe there is a difference between a country's taxation as opposed to a nation's whereas a nation is more compared to only participating in a community, more like paying ur duties in a congregation.
again that's my personal opinion

[Expert Flyer]

I do believe there is a difference between a country's taxation as opposed to a nation's whereas a nation is more compared to only participating in a community, more like paying ur duties in a congregation.
again that's my personal opinion

Yup, spot on!

[zale]

I do believe there is a difference between a country's taxation as opposed to a nation's whereas a nation is more compared to only participating in a community, more like paying ur duties in a congregation.
again that's my personal opinion

There is certainly a difference in the way you feel about it, but the idea is the same, i.e. you are forcibly paying a portion of your earnings to be redistributed among those who earn less or nothing.

This is not like a congregation. If a congregation forced you to pay a membership fee, you can simply choose to find another congregation or to stay home. A Kupah on the other hand requires you to pay into regardless of what you choose to do.

Look, it makes sense that you don't feel good about giving away a portion of your hard-earned money to be redistributed to people or programs that you don't know (I hate it), but this is the way the world turns. It has always been this way and will always continue to be this way. My point here is that the Torah definitely believes that it is OK an proper to redistribute income.

[Expert Flyer]

There is certainly a difference in the way you feel about it, but the idea is the same, i.e. you are forcibly paying a portion of your earnings to be redistributed among those who earn less or nothing.

This is not like a congregation. If a congregation forced you to pay a membership fee, you can simply choose to find another congregation or to stay home. A Kupah on the other hand requires you to pay into regardless of what you choose to do.

Look, it makes sense that you don't feel good about giving away a portion of your hard-earned money to be redistributed to people or programs that you don't know (I hate it), but this is the way the world turns. It has always been this way and will always continue to be this way. My point here is that the Torah definitely believes that it is OK an proper to redistribute income.

If the congregation is the rightful owner of this place, they have a right to charge members.
Taxation in the current way is no different from theft.

It's not love it or leave it, but submit or die.

[clear thinker]

There is certainly a difference in the way you feel about it, but the idea is the same, i.e. you are forcibly paying a portion of your earnings to be redistributed among those who earn less or nothing.

This is not like a congregation. If a congregation forced you to pay a membership fee, you can simply choose to find another congregation or to stay home. A Kupah on the other hand requires you to pay into regardless of what you choose to do.

Look, it makes sense that you don't feel good about giving away a portion of your hard-earned money to be redistributed to people or programs that you don't know (I hate it), but this is the way the world turns. It has always been this way and will always continue to be this way. My point here is that the Torah definitely believes that it is OK an proper to redistribute income.

I also think it's ok & there has to be some way to feed the poor, but there is a difference between that & what's going on today!
ever heard of this one?
"a fine is a tax 4 doing something wrong, tax is a fine 4 doing something right, & obamacare is a fine on humanity...."!