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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2014, 04:04:57 PM »
I am saying that we should shrink government from all sides. From removing military base overseas which do nothing to for our security to cut all welfare programs and subsidies. Abolish the income tax among others

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2014, 04:14:41 PM »
I am saying that we should shrink government from all sides. From removing military base overseas which do nothing to for our security to cut all welfare programs and subsidies. Abolish the income tax among others
How do you propose to fund the parts of government you want to still have?
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2014, 04:17:24 PM »
A sales tax. Or even better, tariffs.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2014, 04:25:15 PM »
A sales tax. Or even better, tariffs.

Did you run the numbers on that one? Why do you feel that a sales tax is better than an income tax? What would the economic consequences of adding to the cost of purchases be? What would the consequences of tariffs be? What about when countries we export to counter tariff?
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2014, 04:28:54 PM »
I was responding to an argument made that taxes were once used to support the government and not for redistribution. My point was that redistribution is better than lining the pockets of bureaucrats.

Mr. Zale, redistribution didn't replace enriching bureaucrats, it's in addition to that. More indirectly though.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2014, 04:30:27 PM »
I didn't say to increase taxes.
If a tax on alcohol and cigarettes discourages drinking and smoking, do you consider the possibility that an income tax discourages people from working.

Do you understand how high the compliance costs are? The very idea that we need more than a pen and paper to file our tax returns shows how big government is.
And why should it be considered a privilege to keep what I earn?

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2014, 04:33:55 PM »
Did you run the numbers on that one? Why do you feel that a sales tax is better than an income tax? What would the economic consequences of adding to the cost of purchases be? What would the consequences of tariffs be? What about when countries we export to counter tariff?
www.fairtax.org

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2014, 04:43:43 PM »
www.fairtax.org

Peter Schiff explains how to reduce taxes in his book The Real Crash. The USA was built on small and limited government and low taxation.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2014, 04:48:57 PM »
I didn't say to increase taxes.
If a tax on alcohol and cigarettes discourages drinking and smoking, do you consider the possibility that an income tax discourages people from working.

Do you understand how high the compliance costs are? The very idea that we need more than a pen and paper to file our tax returns shows how big government is.
And why should it be considered a privilege to keep what I earn?
And a sales tax discourages purchases. Of course having to deal with sales tax has no compliance costs. ::)
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2014, 05:07:32 PM »
There is only one way to solve all the fiscal problems and that's through vouchers like the saying goes give a man a fish and feed him for a day teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.  The main reason the poor stay poor is the schools in the poor areas are horrible. I also think if they would separate boys and girls the test scores in the usa would skyrocket.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2014, 05:07:50 PM »
www.fairtax.org
Do you really think that a 30% (!) sales tax will not have serious economic repercussions? Please don't just link to a propaganda site. If you have an answer write it if not then you are not adding anything.
Peter Schiff explains how to reduce taxes in his book The Real Crash. The USA was built on small and limited government and low taxation.
I am not questioning ability to reduce taxes. THat is simple-reduce spending. It will need to be by quite a bit though because the first step is to borrow less.
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2014, 05:18:12 PM »
Do you really think that a 30% (!) sales tax will not have serious economic repercussions? Please don't just link to a propaganda site. If you have an answer write it if not then you are not adding anything.I am not questioning ability to reduce taxes. THat is simple-reduce spending. It will need to be by quite a bit though because the first step is to borrow less.
When they are not paying any other taxes, AND receiving a rebate check each month for food/clothing taxes, then no,I do not believe it will have economic repercussions.

With all do respect, if you are calling it "a propaganda website" and "30% sales tax" (without explaining what I wrote above), then you do not fully understand what the fair tax is.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2014, 05:22:19 PM »
When they are not paying any other taxes, AND receiving a rebate check each month for food/clothing taxes, then no,I do not believe it will have economic repercussions.
Then you have your head in the sand
With all do respect, if you are calling it "a propaganda website" and "30% sales tax" (without explaining what I wrote above), then you do not fully understand what the fair tax is.
Then please enlighten. No, I did not spend hours going through all the nitty gritty of something which is a pipe dream anyhow even if it is a great idea.
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2014, 05:30:21 PM »
Then you have your head in the sandThen please enlighten. No, I did not spend hours going through all the nitty gritty of something which is a pipe dream anyhow even if it is a great idea.
My point is do not attack something you do not understand.

I do not have the time to explain it.  If you are not interested in it, then ignore my post.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2014, 05:46:31 PM »
My point is do not attack something you do not understand.

I do not have the time to explain it.  If you are not interested in it, then ignore my post.
The basic idea seems pretty simple. Charge a 30% sales tax and repeal+ other taxes. For items deemed necessities give a subsidy at the beginning of each month to offset the taxes up to the poverty level. What do you feel I am missing about it?
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2014, 06:06:53 PM »
And a sales tax discourages purchases. Of course having to deal with sales tax has no compliance costs. ::)
All produced goods are meant to be consumed.

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Promise and give a man someone else's fish, and he'll vote for you.

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2014, 06:47:07 PM »
All produced goods are meant to be consumed.

Give a man, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, and he'll eat for life.
Promise and give a man someone else's fish, and he'll vote for you.
Don't see the connection
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2014, 06:48:44 PM »
Safety nets have adverse effects

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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2014, 07:13:16 PM »
Safety nets have adverse effects
Everything has adverse effects
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Re: Politically and economically where do you guys stand?
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2014, 07:15:08 PM »
Everything has adverse effects

So, does that justify stealing my hard-earned money?
Redistribution of wealth is theft