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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #210 on: September 30, 2016, 03:58:06 PM »
You said it's prohibited to turn a light on, so the shabulb is a loophole. That's incorrect. The Torah does not prohibit turning a light on, there was no electricity when the Torah was written.

The prohibition stems from igniting a flame. It's a very technical question: does this constitute igniting a flame? Since it clearly doesn't, it's not prohibited.

Moreover, what I think you don't get is that we follow the letter of the law only, not the spirit of the law, unless the letter of the law expressly requires us to take into account the spirit of the law (such as with zilzul Shabbos).
You are lumping everything together. I was told many times over that I don't understand what is prohibited. The post you quote I put in the simplest terms my understanding. It had nothing to do with the loophole part.

I get you say it is not a loophole. I get you can cover the light, close the door or anything else that doesn't extinguish/break the fire/circuit. I get this is according to your laws.

I don't follow your laws so of course I am going to look at it differently. What is the big deal anyway? What difference does it matter that someone that does not follow your beliefs thinks differently? A member here thinks me eating fish when meat is prohibited is a loophole. So what, I don't care. If we shared the same beliefs and he came to that conclusion then we would have a problem. I would worry about the members here that say it is a loophole and countless other things that are loopholes.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #211 on: September 30, 2016, 04:12:54 PM »
You are lumping everything together. I was told many times over that I don't understand what is prohibited. The post you quote I put in the simplest terms my understanding. It had nothing to do with the loophole part.

I get you say it is not a loophole. I get you can cover the light, close the door or anything else that doesn't extinguish/break the fire/circuit. I get this is according to your laws.

I don't follow your laws so of course I am going to look at it differently. What is the big deal anyway? What difference does it matter that someone that does not follow your beliefs thinks differently? A member here thinks me eating fish when meat is prohibited is a loophole. So what, I don't care. If we shared the same beliefs and he came to that conclusion then we would have a problem. I would worry about the members here that say it is a loophole and countless other things that are loopholes.
I do not think it is a loophole for you to eat fish then. I was saying that according to your reasoning it should be.

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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #212 on: September 30, 2016, 04:15:15 PM »
You said it's prohibited to turn a light on, so the shabulb is a loophole. That's incorrect. The Torah does not prohibit turning a light on, there was no electricity when the Torah was written.

The prohibition stems from igniting a flame. It's a very technical question: does this constitute igniting a flame? Since it clearly doesn't, it's not prohibited.

Moreover, what I think you don't get is that we follow the letter of the law only, not the spirit of the law, unless the letter of the law expressly requires us to take into account the spirit of the law (such as with zilzul Shabbos).
What about boneh and makeh  bepatish, I'm not very well versed in the halachic status of electricity but from what I understand that is the main issue. Also, the last time I turned on an led there was no fire.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #213 on: September 30, 2016, 04:17:47 PM »
I do not think it is a loophole for you to eat fish then. I was saying that according to your reasoning it should be.
Either way I don't have a problem with the conclusion you come to.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #214 on: September 30, 2016, 04:34:27 PM »
What about boneh and makeh  bepatish, I'm not very well versed in the halachic status of electricity but from what I understand that is the main issue. Also, the last time I turned on an led there was no fire.
Boneh is really the only problem with LED's there is no issue of makeh bepatish, it's a common misconception. Also you're right, the only time there is an issue of aish is with incandescent bulbs (possibly florescent bulbs also but I'm not so clear on that). This is all according to most poskim, the Chazon Ish only held the problem was aish and not Boneh of the circuit but we don't pasken like this.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #215 on: September 30, 2016, 04:43:04 PM »
Boneh is really the only problem with LED's there is no issue of makeh bepatish, it's a common misconception. Also you're right, the only time there is an issue of aish is with incandescent bulbs (possibly florescent bulbs also but I'm not so clear on that). This is all according to most poskim, the Chazon Ish only held the problem was aish and not Boneh of the circuit but we don't pasken like this.
Thank you.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #216 on: September 30, 2016, 04:45:57 PM »
Thank you.
I'm up for a shiur on the halachic status of electricity.
DO anyone?
I'm down maybe JTZ could come and see what it's like to get into the intricacies of a sugya and see the process of how we could to a din.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #217 on: October 01, 2016, 09:55:13 PM »
Thank you.
I'm up for a shiur on the halachic status of electricity.
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #218 on: April 02, 2017, 02:12:28 PM »
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Re: Shabbulb
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #220 on: October 21, 2017, 09:01:16 PM »
Is there any way for me to plug a shabbulb into a plug-in night light? Is there a converter or anything?

I hate having my kitchen lights on over shabbos- but a lamp would look weird in a kitchen...
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Re: Shabbulb
« Reply #221 on: October 21, 2017, 10:42:37 PM »
Is there any way for me to plug a shabbulb into a plug-in night light? Is there a converter or anything?

I hate having my kitchen lights on over shabbos- but a lamp would look weird in a kitchen...
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