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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2014, 02:04:33 PM »
בהודעה שהוציא הפלג המתחרה לכלי התקשורת נאמר, צוטט הרב מנשה פילאף, רב בית המדרש בויליאמסבורג שאמר: "אנחנו המומים ונחרדים מהעזות הגדולה. בושה שהאדמו"ר מהר"א מסאטמאר סומך את דבריו על שיטת הרה"ק רבי יואל מסאטמאר זצ"ל".

"הרבי זי"ע (רבי יואל) היה רך לבב ורחום על כל, תמיד היה מצטער בצרתם של אחרים, ואפילו על יהודים מהמזרחי ידועות עובדות רבות שבעת צרתם העניק להם כל העזרה שביקשו ממנו, הוא נתן להם ממון כשהם נצטרכו לכך, איך אפשר לומר ליהודים בשעה שמתם מוטל לפניהם הם אשמים בכך? אפילו אם יהא נכונים הדברים מי נתן היתר להאדמו"ר מהר"א לדבר ככה בעת צרה".

גם הרב מאיר יהודה טננבוים, אב בית דין ומהבכירים בפלג, פרסם דברים דומים בנושא: "נכון שהרה"ק מסאטמאר האשים את הציונים וממשלת המינות שהם מביאים את רוגזם של הערבים על היהודים, ועל ידי זה מתגוררי ארה"ק נמצאים תחת סכנה אדירה מצד הערבים, אבל לומר על יהודים תמימים שומרי תורה ומצוות שעדיין נמצאים בתוך ימי האבל שהם אשמים על רציחת ילדיהם? זו עזות נוראה וחוצפה גדולה".

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2014, 02:06:50 PM »
Jumping on the bandwagon. They have no shame. They have done things in the past that are no better.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2014, 02:16:02 PM »
Most of the stuff he said are unfortunately true.

However NOW is not the time to give such a speech.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2014, 02:28:45 PM »
Most of the stuff he said are unfortunately true.

However NOW is not the time to give such a speech.
I really don't get you people.

What he said was true?!?


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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2014, 02:33:57 PM »
I really don't get you people.
Rule in life; You will never get to understand something if you don't want to understand it.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2014, 02:34:22 PM »
Nowhere, period.
You don't get into a car with anyone unless you know the person personally and trust them. At least that's how I was raised.
I wish every parent raised their children that way.
I plan on raising my children that way.
Even Lakewood? Every city in the world has pedophiles and bad people.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2014, 02:38:15 PM »
Rule in life; You will never get to understand something if you don't want to understand it.
Trust me. I'm trying desperately hard to understand. It really bothers me how yidden, shomrei Torah and mitzvos can think this way.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2014, 02:42:48 PM »
Intentional homicide rates are about three times higher in the US (4.8 per 100,000) than in Israel (1.8 per 100,000). Just because the protection is much more obvious and close to home in Israel, and violence there is felt much more throughout the Jewish community does not mean it is any more dangerous.
I lived in Alon Shvut for a year; I hitchhiked from the very spot that they were kidnapped from about a hundred times. Is it completely safe? No. But it is the culture, and I think that needs to change ASAP.
Regardless, blaming the boys' parents is uneducated, insensitive, and wrong on many levels. Now is a time for us to be united, not attacking each other.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2014, 02:45:32 PM »

More shocking than

When will people stop hitchhiking?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2014, 02:49:20 PM »
More shocking than

?
Did he say that the parents should do Teshuva? He said the same thing R' Ahron Leib said after the kidnapping, that hitchiking should stop. Blaming people is very different than saying that we should learn from the tragedy.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2014, 06:05:17 PM »
Slightly off topic, isn't the Admor from Satmar's wife a Hebrew speaking Israeli?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2014, 06:28:08 PM »
Intentional homicide rates are about three times higher in the US (4.8 per 100,000) than in Israel (1.8 per 100,000). Just because the protection is much more obvious and close to home in Israel, and violence there is felt much more throughout the Jewish community does not mean it is any more dangerous.
I lived in Alon Shvut for a year; I hitchhiked from the very spot that they were kidnapped from about a hundred times. Is it completely safe? No. But it is the culture, and I think that needs to change ASAP.
Regardless, blaming the boys' parents is uneducated, insensitive, and wrong on many levels. Now is a time for us to be united, not attacking each other.

Can't compare the overall US rate or compare the overall Israeli rate to the settlements.

1) The US is a large place, for example Detroit's rate is 54.6 per 100,000 so places like that skew the average. Consider Ocean county NJ where the rate is about 1.08 per 100,000.
(BTW Rabbi Aviner's numbers are way off)

2) The overall Israeli rate might not be representative of the rate in Yesha. Again averages skew the results. Saying that Israel as a whole is safe, isn't saying anything about what the Satmer Rebbe said.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #102 on: July 03, 2014, 06:32:18 PM »
Can't compare the overall US rate or compare the overall Israeli rate to the settlements.

1) The US is a large place, for example Detroit's rate is 54.6 per 100,000 so places like that skew the average. Consider Ocean county NJ where the rate is about 1.08 per 100,000.
(BTW Rabbi Aviner's numbers are way off)

2) The overall Israeli rate might not be representative of the rate in Yesha. Again averages skew the results. Saying that Israel as a whole is safe, isn't saying anything about what the Satmer Rebbe said.
And the rate amongst the Jews in ocean county is virtually nonexistent. Its pathetic to argue that its somehow safer to be surrounded by bloodthirsty arabs, notwithstanding the "mighty" IDF.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #103 on: July 03, 2014, 07:11:21 PM »
Slightly off topic, isn't the Admor from Satmar's wife a Hebrew speaking Israeli?
Thats another infight

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2014, 07:57:44 PM »
Every yeshivishe guy(who's hashkofos are brisk-lite) agrees with the gist of what he is saying. Rav shach famously stopped a yeshiva community that wanted to form in emmanuel for this reason.That being said the timing wasnt right (although i doubt he realized it would be broadcast across the world) and I think he got his facts wrong as they were not in the settlements.