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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 01:14:43 AM »
He spoke well and to the point even it's hard to hear such words

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 01:17:15 AM »
I find it appalling.


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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 01:23:34 AM »
What a coincidence, I just learned today משניות סוטה and this is what I learned;

פרק ט' משנה ב

 נמצא סמור לספר - אצל גבול הגוים:לא היו מודדים - דכתיב כי ימצא חלל, פרט לממציא את עצמו, שסמוך לגבול הגוים כאילו המציא עצמו למיתה הוא:

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 01:23:50 AM »
Just the usual for him. I recommend ignoring him unless he's your personal Rav and you're forced into listening to him.

What a coincidence, I just learned today משניות סוטה and this is what I learned;

פרק ט' משנה ב

 נמצא סמור לספר - אצל גבול הגוים:לא היו מודדים - דכתיב כי ימצא חלל, פרט לממציא את עצמו, שסמוך לגבול הגוים כאילו המציא עצמו למיתה הוא:
Awesome. Tell the Satmer's living in Meah Shearim to leave since it's only a few hundred meters from Sheik Jarrah.
Hypocritical fools.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 01:29:55 AM »
He spoke well and to the point even it's hard to hear such words

Can you elaborate on that? Which point was valid:

1. The parents are responsible for their kidnapping and murder and should have said Viduy instead of a Hesped.
2. It's Assur to live in a settlement

Please, I would like to hear.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 01:31:15 AM »
Please, I would like to hear.
I wouldn't.


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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 01:32:05 AM »
All these new places satmar is trying to move into, the people there hate you as much as the Arabs hate the settlers.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 02:37:56 AM »
Whether he spoke well or not it doesn't seem at all the appropriate time to say such things and unfortunately comments like that just bring more hatred between all the yidden and less unity.
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 02:42:54 AM »
Whether he spoke well or not it doesn't seem at all the appropriate time to say such things and unfortunately comments like that just bring more hatred between all the yidden and less unity.
+100

Bad bad timing.


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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2014, 02:51:06 AM »
regardless of the validity of any of what he says, having his words/thoughts out in public are to me the true definition of a chilul Hashem
The ratio of Jews who can truly understand his message and where he's coming from, to those who will look at this with serious disgust and hatred towards other Jews is way too small to have this out there...JMHO

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2014, 07:24:00 AM »
These are facts:
Living in the settlements is living in a mokom sakana.
America is safer at the moment than anywhere in the state of Israel.

Saying such thing now though come across like "I told you so" while the graves are still fresh. :o

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2014, 07:55:00 AM »
regardless of the validity of any of what he says, having his words/thoughts out in public are to me the true definition of a chilul Hashem
The ratio of Jews who can truly understand his message and where he's coming from, to those who will look at this with serious disgust and hatred towards other Jews is way too small to have this out there...JMHO
So because some confused Jew would not understand or appreciate what they hold to be Toras emes he should not say it? Many Jews think we are crazy for dressing tznius also..

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2014, 08:10:48 AM »

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 08:14:41 AM »
These are facts:
Living in the settlements is living in a mokom sakana.
America is safer at the moment than anywhere in the state of Israel.

Saying such thing now though come across like "I told you so" while the graves are still fresh. :o

Some would argue that running away is also dangerous. I hear both sides. I'd be scared to live there myself but I think it's commendable that others do. There is no good solution.
It's a silly thing to say anyways. People have died and gotten killed all over Israel.
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 08:26:57 AM »
Some would argue that running away is also dangerous. I hear both sides. I'd be scared to live there myself but I think it's commendable that others do. There is no good solution.
It's a silly thing to say anyways. People have died and gotten killed all over Israel.
I have to disagree. Living in NJ is not running away and is not dangerous.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2014, 08:51:32 AM »
Can you elaborate on that? Which point was valid:

1. The parents are responsible for their kidnapping and murder and should have said Viduy instead of a Hesped.
2. It's Assur to live in a settlement

Please, I would like to hear.
Firs yes it's an isur to live in a mukem sakuna and a place where u are only secure to go around with weapons is definitely call sakuna and if so the parents has part of the blame for sending their child in such a place

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2014, 09:09:01 AM »
Please!!! There is no excuse for such talk. Period!

To all the Satmars out there: Reb Yoel would have never spoken like that.

Someone with such foolishness, heartlessness and insensitivity should not be in any sort of position of leadership!

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2014, 09:10:58 AM »
Please!!! There is no excuse for such talk. Period!

To all the Satmars out there: Reb Yoel would have never spoken like that. Someone with such foolishness, heartlessness and insensitivity should be in any sort of position of leadership!
In case you're unaware, there is a reason why some (most??) of satmar aren't under his leadership.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2014, 09:25:19 AM »
So because some confused Jew would not understand or appreciate what they hold to be Toras emes he should not say it? Many Jews think we are crazy for dressing tznius also..
some? Because 99% of Jews would find this hurtful as they are mourning their lost children