Author Topic: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens  (Read 16869 times)

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2014, 10:18:02 AM »
It's def a more dangerous area. If we leave they'll just keep closing in and Jews will have to keep leaving. 
If you can't hear both sides of why people feel it's right to live there and why people think it's not then you probably can't have a very smart conversation about this to begin with.
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2014, 10:24:20 AM »
??? keep drinkin the koolaid. if you think yehuda and shomron are the same safe as ramat eshkol you obviously have no clue what youre talking about.
heh, really? thats what you get for stopping to learn after reading the headlines
You guys are psychopathic. They were kidnapped in Gush Etzion, there are 70,000 Jews who live there.

How can anyone blame them or their parents for their death because they were in such a place?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2014, 10:44:14 AM »
It's def a more dangerous area. If we leave they'll just keep closing in and Jews will have to keep leaving. 
If you can't hear both sides of why people feel it's right to live there and why people think it's not then you probably can't have a very smart conversation about this to begin with.
yes we are in galos & we "HAVE" to keep leaving that's just what hashem wants 4 his kids! from a political standpoint u couldn't be more right, but were jews have no rights! Judaism is a constant struggle & a "oil"! the torah is no declaration of independence. ...!!

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2014, 10:50:47 AM »

Go to hell! Ask anyone who knows even a bit of Torah (yes this excludes many) they will tell you he is a gadol

What makes him a Gadol (not to be confused with a Talmud chacham).

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2014, 10:56:58 AM »
yes we are in galos & we "HAVE" to keep leaving that's just what hashem wants 4 his kids! from a political standpoint u couldn't be more right, but were jews have no rights! Judaism is a constant struggle & a "oil"! the torah is no declaration of independence. ...!!
The tipshus going on here is amazing. Suffice it to say Torah disagrees with you.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2014, 10:59:25 AM »
You guys are psychopathic. They were kidnapped in Gush Etzion, there are 70,000 Jews who live there.

How can anyone blame them or their parents for their death because they were in such a place?
actually i think most people, excluding yourself obviously, are aware that its more dangerous living in the settlements. the settlers themselves know that as well. they feel justified putting themselves and their families in that danger based on their beliefs.
if someone holds their beliefs are mistaken, then yes, it follows that the parents definitely do bear some of the responsibility for anything that happens. its pretty simple.

now, whether or not these things should be spoken out in a public setting during shivah... thats a different discussion.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2014, 11:04:19 AM »
??? keep drinkin the koolaid. if you think yehuda and shomron are the same safe as ramat eshkol you obviously have no clue what youre talking about.
heh, really? thats what you get for stopping to learn after reading the headlines

No, but they are both safer than Williamsburg in the 90's and Satmar certainly didnt run away

Other than the occasional Terrorist attack, there is virtually no crime in the "settlements"


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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2014, 11:05:31 AM »
The points are valid, the timing is not.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2014, 11:06:16 AM »
Other than the occasional Terrorist attack, there is virtually no crime in the "settlements"
Which makes it safer than virtually any american city.

I'd rather hear about the dangers of hitching a ride...
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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2014, 11:10:50 AM »
Which makes it safer than virtually any american city.

I'd rather hear about the dangers of hitching a ride...

Dan, you really believe that the settlements are a safe place?  :o

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2014, 11:13:03 AM »
Go to hell!
am I the only one who thinks this is very uncalled for?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2014, 11:17:17 AM »
actually i think most people, excluding yourself obviously, are aware that its more dangerous living in the settlements. the settlers themselves know that as well. they feel justified putting themselves and their families in that danger based on their beliefs.
if someone holds their beliefs are mistaken, then yes, it follows that the parents definitely do bear some of the responsibility for anything that happens. its pretty simple.

now, whether or not these things should be spoken out in a public setting during shivah... thats a different discussion.
It is simply not true that the place that they were kidnapped from is any less safer than Brooklyn. You can keep arguing about it but the metzios iz azoi. What if someone was kidnapped in the Jewish quarter of the old city would you say the same thing?

And even if they were kidnapped in a dangerous area, those places are effectively a buffer for the rest of Israel. It is very simple, before 1967, the rest of Israel was a lot more dangerous. So those people are doing a chesed for the rest of the country.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2014, 11:17:48 AM »
No, but they are both safer than Williamsburg in the 90's and Satmar certainly didnt run away

Other than the occasional Terrorist attack, there is virtually no crime in the "settlements"


the "occasional" terrorist attack means someone, or multiple someones are dead or critically wounded. im not familiar with williamsburg history, but afaik there are no jewish communities in the usa currently that live with the fact that a few of them will be murdered every year.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2014, 11:19:04 AM »
the "occasional" terrorist attack means someone, or multiple someones are dead or critically wounded. im not familiar with williamsburg history, but afaik there are no jewish communities in the usa currently that live with the fact that a few of them will be murdered every year.
Menachem Stark? The shomrim shootings?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2014, 11:21:14 AM »
And even if they were kidnapped in a dangerous area, those places are effectively a buffer for the rest of Israel. It is very simple, before 1967, the rest of Israel was a lot more dangerous. So those people are doing a chesed for the rest of the country.

thats all very debatable. but, even if it were true (and im certainly not saying that it is,) its very nice to do chesed, but what right do you have to put your children at risk for the sake of your chesed?