Satmar Rebbe's comments on the three murdered teens

[Achas Veachas]

So you basically gave up on Moshiach?

Where did I say anything that remotely implies that?

[Centro]

Where did I say anything that remotely implies that?

Sorry if I misunderstood you,

Please explain what you meant with;

Based on the Rashi I don't see another mechanism for E"Y to change hands...

[Achas Veachas]

Sorry if I misunderstood you,

Please explain what you meant with;

Rashi says that there is no 'chance' when it comes to ownership of E"Y, the only way for E"Y to change ownership is ברצונו of the creator of the world. When He wanted He gave it to the British and when He wanted He took it from them and gave it to the Tziyonim. When He decides the time is right He will take it from them and bring Moshiach.

[PlatinumGuy]

Rashi says that there is no 'chance' when it comes to ownership of E"Y, the only way for E"Y to change ownership is ברצונו of the creator of the world. When He wanted He gave it to the British and when He wanted He took it from them and gave it to the Tziyonim. When He decides the time is right He will take it from them and bring Moshiach.

Or perhaps moshiach will come when they see the light themselves…

[Menachem613]

He doesn't discriminate he'll attack any Rabbi.

Not true. I will never say a word about Reb Moishe, Reb Baruch Ber, Reb Shraga Feivel, and many, many more.

[Centro]

Rashi says that there is no 'chance' when it comes to ownership of E"Y, the only way for E"Y to change ownership is ברצונו of the creator of the world. When He wanted He gave it to the British and when He wanted He took it from them and gave it to the Tziyonim. When He decides the time is right He will take it from them and bring Moshiach.

Trying to understand what you're saying,
So in other words, even though hoshem has forbidden us to take back E"Y before Moshiach comes he still wanted the tziyionim to be עובר on it and do נגד רצונו, ya?

[elit]

My 2 cents: I can't believe you guys are arguing about Zionism/ israel here... A few gedolim say yes a few say absolutely not and a lot are somewhere in the middle... Now what are you guys trying to do? Prove on a forum like this which ones are right???

[Achas Veachas]

Trying to understand what you're saying,
So in other words, even though hoshem has forbidden us to take back E"Y before Moshiach comes he still wanted the tziyionim to be עובר on it and do נגד רצונו, ya?

Did Hashem want the Romans to come and destroy the Beis Hamikdash and send the Jews into Galus?

[Centro]

Did Hashem want the Romans to come and destroy the Beis Hamikdash and send the Jews into Galus?

It was a punishment from hoshem, now what?

[Centro]

My 2 cents: I can't believe you guys are arguing about Zionism/ israel here... A few gedolim say yes a few say absolutely not and a lot are somewhere in the middle... Now what are you guys trying to do? Prove on a forum like this which ones are right???

I just couldn't resist, I'm backing out.

[Chapshnell]

Did Hashem want the Romans to come and destroy the Beis Hamikdash and send the Jews into Galus?

Is this a question or a statement? Yikes

[Saver2000]

My 2 cents: I can't believe you are arguing about Zionism/ israel here... A few gedolim say yes a few say absolutely not and a lot are somewhere in the middle... Now what are you guys trying to do? Prove on a forum like this which ones are right???

You can add yourself to the list of people that don't understand why people are upset at what the satmar rebbe said.

It's not the content perse,  it's the timing.

Its very hard to understand how someone can speak that I'm middle of shivah.

Speaking out  his shittah  3 months ago,  or in 3 months from now - alot less people would be upset.

[elit]

You can add yourself to the list of people that don't understand why people are upset at what the satmar rebbe said.

It's not the content perse,  it's the timing.

Its very hard to understand how someone can speak that I'm middle of shivah.

Speaking out  his shittah  3 months ago,  or in 3 months from now - alot less people would be upset.

Sorry if i wasn't clear i personally think it was horrible timing and wrong...my issue was the direction  the conversation has taken to overall Zionism & are we allowed to live in Israel

[Saver2000]

Sorry if i wasn't clear i personally think it was horrible timing and wrong...my issue was the direction  the conversation has taken to overall Zionism & are we allowed to live in Israel

Okay.  Sorry. I wasn't following the conversation.

Didn't realize it went in that direction.

[AaronJoel]

Everyone is referring to the kedoshim as our brothers, so he decided to act toward them as he acts toward his own brother. Big deal.

[moko]

Everyone is referring to the kedoshim as our brothers, so he decided to act toward them as he acts toward his own brother. Big deal.

ouch

[elit]

Everyone is referring to the kedoshim as our brothers, so he decided to act toward them as he acts toward his own brother. Big deal.

You created an account here to make that comment??

[AI-TRAVEL]

You an account here to make that comment??

+1

[Hirshthg]

You created an account here to make that comment??

+2

[dovy2]

+2

Maybe it really is his brother Zalman posting...