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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2835 on: August 29, 2016, 04:46:53 PM »
Which is the best business class (of the following. I'm sure there are better options out there, but assuming I'm flying NYC-TLV with a stop on Star Alliance, these are my options) OS on the 767-300,  LX on the A330-300, TK on A330-300, or LO on the 787-8 Dreamliner?
LX would be the best option, because most of the times you'll get the A330 on both legs, which has a regular J instead of the phony J of the others.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2836 on: August 29, 2016, 04:53:11 PM »
LX would be the best option, because most of the times you'll get the A330 on both legs, which has a regular J instead of the phony J of the others.
Interesting point, but the 2nd leg (or first leg on the way back) is less than 4 hours so sitting in phony J isnt the worst thing, but that is a nice added bonus. Other than that, for the long segment, are the OS, TK, or LO J seats comparable?
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2837 on: August 29, 2016, 04:57:50 PM »
Interesting point, but the 2nd leg (or first leg on the way back) is less than 4 hours so sitting in phony J isnt the worst thing, but that is a nice added bonus. Other than that, for the long segment, are the OS, TK, or LO J seats comparable?
IMHO I would range it as follows:
LX>OS>LO>TK.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2838 on: August 29, 2016, 05:03:44 PM »
IMHO I would range it as follows:
LX>OS>LO>TK.
That was my thought but I wanted to see if anyone else who'd flown any of them had a different opinion.
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2839 on: August 29, 2016, 07:54:44 PM »
Which is the best business class (of the following. I'm sure there are better options out there, but assuming I'm flying NYC-TLV with a stop on Star Alliance, these are my options) OS on the 767-300,  LX on the A330-300, TK on A330-300, or LO on the 787-8 Dreamliner?

You can gets lots of times real business class from IST to TLV too on TK, plus they have a good ground experience there.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2840 on: August 29, 2016, 07:58:48 PM »
You can gets lots of times real business class from IST to TLV too on TK, plus they have a good ground experience there.
excuse my ignorance but what does good ground service mean?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2841 on: August 29, 2016, 08:05:35 PM »
excuse my ignorance but what does good ground service mean?

The layover airport amenities and the J lounge.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2842 on: August 29, 2016, 08:07:07 PM »
That was my thought but I wanted to see if anyone else who'd flown any of them had a different opinion.
I personally would go for OS over LX, if not for the fake J, which really does make a difference even though it's only about 4 hours.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2843 on: August 29, 2016, 08:43:06 PM »
You can gets lots of times real business class from IST to TLV too on TK, plus they have a good ground experience there.
The problem with TK is, the cross-Atlantic flight has no direct aisle access.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2844 on: August 29, 2016, 09:36:28 PM »
The problem with TK is, the cross-Atlantic flight has no direct aisle access.
I believe the middle seats each have direct aisle access, and I assume you mean the ones on the sides don't have direct aisle access, which for me I think is a deal breaker. If I understand correctly the LO Dreamliner has the same issue.
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2845 on: August 29, 2016, 09:45:18 PM »
I personally would go for OS over LX, if not for the fake J, which really does make a difference even though it's only about 4 hours.
Isn't OS J narrower than LX?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2846 on: August 29, 2016, 09:59:12 PM »
Does anyone  have a picture  of El al angle flat business seats? How bad are they angled?
Check recent OMAAT post re ElAl
Which is the best business class (of the following. I'm sure there are better options out there, but assuming I'm flying NYC-TLV with a stop on Star Alliance, these are my options) OS on the 767-300,  LX on the A330-300, TK on A330-300, or LO on the 787-8 Dreamliner?
Aside from the actual long haul plane, LO has a very long stop IINM. TK has one of the worlds best business class lounges.
Just points to consider

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2847 on: August 29, 2016, 10:05:46 PM »
Check recent OMAAT post re ElAlAside from the actual long haul plane, LO has a very long stop IINM. TK has one of the worlds best business class lounges.
Just points to consider
I did notice the long LO stop and I was taking that into consideration. Thanks. I wasn't aware of how good the lounge is, but I think I'd value the on board product over the lounge especially if I wont be spending that much time there. I wouldn't choose to loose my freedom of mobility (losing direct aisle access from the window seat) for the opportunity to access a good lounge. I don't remember how long the layover is on the TK flights, but one of the things that I like about the LX flight is the short layover which gets me to my destination faster. I was originally thinking about the LX or OS. I figured I'd throw in the LO and TK just to get people's general opinions on those products.
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2848 on: August 29, 2016, 10:12:36 PM »
LO doesn't have direct aisle access either for the window seats.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #2849 on: August 29, 2016, 10:16:00 PM »
I did notice the long LO stop and I was taking that into consideration. Thanks. I wasn't aware of how good the lounge is, but I think I'd value the on board product over the lounge especially if I wont be spending that much time there. I wouldn't choose to loose my freedom of mobility (losing direct aisle access from the window seat) for the opportunity to access a good lounge. I don't remember how long the layover is on the TK flights, but one of the things that I like about the LX flight is the short layover which gets me to my destination faster. I was originally thinking about the LX or OS. I figured I'd throw in the LO and TK just to get people's general opinions on those products.
There's also the Soft product, assuming you keep kosher, the Caterer can mean the difference between an inedible meal and a good one, as well as the alcohol selection, then there is the friendliness and professionalism of the FAs etc.
About movement, in your original post you should write you're flying solo, for example I'm soon flying TK J and would choose that over OS, becuase I want to be next to my SO. All these details matter ;)