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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4100 on: May 22, 2023, 06:32:11 PM »
Probably a mistake on the United side, I don't see how it makes sense otherwise.
seems like 6 on the other side is also angled so angled makes sense 

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4101 on: June 01, 2023, 12:53:53 PM »
AA Boeing 777-200ER

rows 1-5 1-2-1 only middle seats
row 6 1L
row 7-10 window seat either side of plane or row 7 bulkhead

flying solo

which seat should i take?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4103 on: June 04, 2023, 07:43:31 AM »
Was involuntarily downgraded out of business class today on Air France because they said that the new business seats don’t permit car seats. It was a newly upgraded 777-300. They said that they won’t allow car seats on their new Safran Versa product which will soon be on all their 777s.

There wasn’t a lot of clarity about this online so figured I’d give everyone a FYI.

Am I entitled to any compensations, and how do I go about that?
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4104 on: June 04, 2023, 08:06:39 AM »
Was involuntarily downgraded out of business class today on Air France because they said that the new business seats don’t permit car seats. It was a newly upgraded 777-300. They said that they won’t allow car seats on their new Safran Versa product which will soon be on all their 777s.

There wasn’t a lot of clarity about this online so figured I’d give everyone a FYI.

Am I entitled to any compensations, and how do I go about that?

Interesting question

Can they claim that the downgrade was due to security/safety?

Regarding the compensation the first question is what was the O/D
That determines whose protection you fall under
Remember generally EU protections don't apply if you are only stopping over

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4105 on: June 05, 2023, 06:37:20 AM »
It was TLV-CDG (final destination)
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4106 on: June 05, 2023, 06:58:05 AM »
It was TLV-CDG (final destination)

If you are to follow Israel or EU law you should be eligible
This is extracted from AF Israel aviation law 2012 policy notice it only has the security clause on the first sections
https://img.static-af.com/m/1850113974ee3350/original/Israel-ASL-Notice.pdf
4.CHANGES TO THE TERMS
If you are placed in a higher class of service than that stipulated on the Flight Ticket, you will not be subject to any extra
charges nor are you entitled to any monetary compensation. If you are involuntarily placed in a lower class of service than
that stipulated on the Flight Ticket, you will receive reimbursement of 100% of the price of the ticket for all flight segments
longer than 4500 km. For flight segments less than 4500 km, the Airline will pay an amount equal to the flight fare paid,
multiplied by the ratio between the affected flight distance and the total flight distance.
This Notice is required by Israel’s Aviation Services Law (Compensation and Assistance for Flight Cancellations and Changes
in Conditions), 5772-2012; Any legal claim or action taken in the event of a dispute should be based solely on the legal text
of the Law.
EC 261 text seems to show the same
https://img.static-af.com/m/23c6d1b81458f747/original/Passengers-Rights-EN.pdf
4. DOWNGRADING
If you are involuntarily placed in a lower class than that for which your ticket was purchased, you may
request reimbursement of:
A. 30% of the flight price for all flights of 1500km or, less;
B. 50% of the flight price for all flights within the EU of more than 1500 km, and all other flights
between 1500 and 3500 km;
C. 75% of the flight price for all flights not falling under A or B.
Notice again the security/safety exception is only written on delay and cancellation

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4107 on: June 05, 2023, 06:01:09 PM »
This may have been asked up thread, but is there a consensus on the best Business class product for TLV-NY direct?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4108 on: June 05, 2023, 08:32:55 PM »
This may have been asked up thread, but is there a consensus on the best Business class product for TLV-NY direct?
No.
Depends on what you value most and how you prioritize it:

Such as:
-Credit card club departure lounge access
-Business class departure lounge
-Business class departure lounge food
-Business class departure lounge wine
-Best seat
-Best bed
-Best bedding
-Best plane type/altitude/humidity levels
-Best onboard food
-Best onboard wine
-Best onboard service
-Best onboard configuration for solo traveler
-Best onboard configuration for couple traveler
-Best onboard configuration for traveler with kids
-Best onboard configuration for traveler with infants in carseats
-Best mileage accrual
-Best mileage redemption
-Best elite seating
-Best elite upgrade options
etc.


Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4109 on: June 05, 2023, 09:46:35 PM »
No.
Depends on what you value most and how you prioritize it:

Such as:
-Credit card club departure lounge access
-Business class departure lounge
-Business class departure lounge food
-Business class departure lounge wine
-Best seat
-Best bed
-Best bedding
-Best plane type/altitude/humidity levels
-Best onboard food
-Best onboard wine
-Best onboard service
-Best onboard configuration for solo traveler
-Best onboard configuration for couple traveler
-Best onboard configuration for traveler with kids
-Best onboard configuration for traveler with infants in carseats
-Best mileage accrual
-Best mileage redemption
-Best elite seating
-Best elite upgrade options
etc.
Ha, thanks. :)
To narrow it down a bit: For non-frequent elderly flyers paying cash and don’t care about mileage accural.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4110 on: June 06, 2023, 09:58:52 AM »
It was TLV-CDG (final destination)
this was new configured AF 777-300? suite with privacy door?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4111 on: June 06, 2023, 04:43:35 PM »
this was new configured AF 777-300? suite with privacy door?

Yes
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4112 on: June 08, 2023, 02:13:14 PM »
Anyone flew the new air europa 787-9 business in 1-2-1 config? Anyone know if there are air nozzles?





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Still looking for a good MS method :)

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4113 on: June 08, 2023, 05:55:44 PM »
looks like not https://youtu.be/g2Gjk_HZXck
Anyone flew the new air europa 787-9 business in 1-2-1 config? Anyone know if there are air nozzles?


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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4115 on: July 09, 2023, 07:13:06 PM »
How do I get an AA business upgrade with miles? I have Gold.

Planes business seats were half empty. I got free premium economy upgrade but see no option to upgrade

I didn't get around to asking GA for upgrade request

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4116 on: July 10, 2023, 02:11:50 AM »
Call AA

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4117 on: July 11, 2023, 12:52:06 AM »
So I have 3 choices:
EWR-MUC-TLV (LH)
EWR-BRU-TLV (UA/SN)
EWR-YYZ-TLV (AC)

Which one is the best?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4118 on: July 11, 2023, 01:06:37 AM »
So I have 3 choices:
EWR-MUC-TLV (LH)
EWR-BRU-TLV (UA/SN)
EWR-YYZ-TLV (AC)

Which one is the best?

AC, no question. Proper biz seat.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4119 on: July 11, 2023, 08:28:19 AM »
AC, no question. Proper biz seat.
Thanks and Austrian?