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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2014, 01:40:20 PM »
From this map, seems like they weren't supposed to be flying there in first place
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/7/17/c4afe13e-e6ed-4818-91c3-f179fe36c86f_800.png

Just because it flew a certain route yesterday, doesn't mean it should be exactly the same today. Varies based on weather and air traffic.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2014, 01:42:00 PM »
+1.. don't see that anywhere. And, in fact, flightaware uses transponder signals and it tracked it right until it being shot down.
Huh? Am I not reading the map right? The last tracked location is nowhere near the crash sight???
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2014, 01:42:06 PM »
+1.. don't see that anywhere. And, in fact, flightaware uses transponder signals and it tracked it right until it being shot down.

Flightaware doesn't have coverage over Ukraine. Where that picture says "last tracked" might be where FlightAware last has it, but others such as FlightRadar have it over to Donetsk.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2014, 01:42:15 PM »
Don't be so naive. How often to large aircraft "vanish"?

Plane goes completely off the radar... shot down is the most probably answer.

Yes, I agree. It's definitely more plausible the aircraft was shot down, and was successfully covered up, as opposed to a rogue pilot just switching off the transponder and taking the plane into the ocean.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2014, 01:43:16 PM »
Small box = area of crash.

Big box = area of conflict.



No. Small box is area of lost contact. Big box is area of crash and area of conflict.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2014, 01:43:20 PM »
I don't think you are reading the map correctly

Huh? Am I not reading the map right? The last tracked location is nowhere near the crash sight???

Doh! I misread.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2014, 01:45:09 PM »
Doh! I misread.
But then again, here is the data from FlightAware.com and over there it shows up until the location where it crashed...
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2014, 01:48:26 PM »
But then again, here is the data from FlightAware.com and over there it shows up until the location where it crashed...

The last hour of flight is estimated, i don't think they actually tracked it, Maybe only the last ping when it came down?

look here on the bottom of the page, there's an hour gap

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK/tracklog

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2014, 01:57:35 PM »
Just because it flew a certain route yesterday, doesn't mean it should be exactly the same today. Varies based on weather and air traffic.

CNN says went off route a bit because of weather

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2014, 02:03:04 PM »
Is it just me or should all airlines be avoiding this airspace for the foreseeable future?

Not just me :)

http://rt.com/news/173652-fights-avoid-ukrain-malaysian/
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2014, 02:13:42 PM »
Any Jews on the flight?

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2014, 02:17:09 PM »
Yes, I agree. It's definitely more plausible the aircraft was shot down, and was successfully covered up, as opposed to a rogue pilot just switching off the transponder and taking the plane into the ocean.

If I'm naive, you're gullible. Speaking of which, you can wire the $$ from the Brooklyn Bridge to my account ending -4453.

Surely! But I'll need you to first wire $1,000 into my account ending in 3322 to verify that your account is active.  :P

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2014, 02:26:33 PM »
Surely! But I'll need you to first wire $1,000 into my account ending in 3322 to verify that your account is active.  :P

Why don't you both wire me $100 and i will facilitate the transaction.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2014, 03:01:56 PM »
Not just me :)

http://rt.com/news/173652-fights-avoid-ukrain-malaysian/
@MarketWatch: Here's a list of all the carriers who have said they will avoid flying in airspace over eastern Ukraine: on.mktw.net/1qiyjm1

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2014, 03:07:53 PM »
Not just me :)

http://rt.com/news/173652-fights-avoid-ukrain-malaysian/
There are some crazy anti-American and anti-semitic comments on that site.