Author Topic: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17 (Read 20516 times)

aradisc · « **Reply #60 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:40:20 PM »

Quote from: Ergel on July 17, 2014, 01:32:56 PM

From this map, seems like they weren't supposed to be flying there in first place
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/7/17/c4afe13e-e6ed-4818-91c3-f179fe36c86f_800.png

Just because it flew a certain route yesterday, doesn't mean it should be exactly the same today. Varies based on weather and air traffic.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #61 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:42:00 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 01:40:02 PM

+1.. don't see that anywhere. And, in fact, flightaware uses transponder signals and it tracked it right until it being shot down.

Huh? Am I not reading the map right? The last tracked location is nowhere near the crash sight???

aradisc · « **Reply #62 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:42:06 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 01:40:02 PM

+1.. don't see that anywhere. And, in fact, flightaware uses transponder signals and it tracked it right until it being shot down.

Flightaware doesn't have coverage over Ukraine. Where that picture says "last tracked" might be where FlightAware last has it, but others such as FlightRadar have it over to Donetsk.

AJK · « **Reply #63 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:42:15 PM »

Quote from: zale on July 17, 2014, 01:33:51 PM

Don't be so naive. How often to large aircraft "vanish"?

Plane goes completely off the radar... shot down is the most probably answer.

Yes, I agree. It's definitely more plausible the aircraft was shot down, and was successfully covered up, as opposed to a rogue pilot just switching off the transponder and taking the plane into the ocean.

If I'm naive, you're gullible. Speaking of which, you can wire the $$ from the Brooklyn Bridge to my account ending -4453.

KidOOO · « **Reply #64 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:43:16 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 01:39:14 PM

Small box = area of crash.

Big box = area of conflict.

No. Small box is area of lost contact. Big box is area of crash and area of conflict.

AJK · « **Reply #65 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:43:20 PM »

Quote from: Ergel on July 17, 2014, 01:37:15 PM

I don't think you are reading the map correctly

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 17, 2014, 01:42:00 PM

Huh? Am I not reading the map right? The last tracked location is nowhere near the crash sight???

Doh! I misread.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #66 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:45:09 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 01:43:20 PM

Doh! I misread.

But then again, here is the data from FlightAware.com and over there it shows up until the location where it crashed...

KidOOO · « **Reply #67 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 17, 2014, 01:45:09 PM

But then again, here is the data from FlightAware.com and over there it shows up until the location where it crashed...

The last hour of flight is estimated, i don't think they actually tracked it, Maybe only the last ping when it came down?

look here on the bottom of the page, there's an hour gap

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK/tracklog

KidOOO · « **Reply #68 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:57:35 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on July 17, 2014, 01:40:20 PM

Just because it flew a certain route yesterday, doesn't mean it should be exactly the same today. Varies based on weather and air traffic.

CNN says went off route a bit because of weather

AJK · « **Reply #69 on:** July 17, 2014, 02:03:04 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 01:29:32 PM

Is it just me or should all airlines be avoiding this airspace for the foreseeable future?

Not just me

http://rt.com/news/173652-fights-avoid-ukrain-malaysian/

zale · « **Reply #70 on:** July 17, 2014, 02:13:42 PM »

Any Jews on the flight?

zale · « **Reply #71 on:** July 17, 2014, 02:17:09 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 01:42:15 PM

Yes, I agree. It's definitely more plausible the aircraft was shot down, and was successfully covered up, as opposed to a rogue pilot just switching off the transponder and taking the plane into the ocean.

If I'm naive, you're gullible. Speaking of which, you can wire the $$ from the Brooklyn Bridge to my account ending -4453.

Surely! But I'll need you to first wire $1,000 into my account ending in 3322 to verify that your account is active.

KidOOO · « **Reply #72 on:** July 17, 2014, 02:26:33 PM »

Quote from: zale on July 17, 2014, 02:17:09 PM

Surely! But I'll need you to first wire $1,000 into my account ending in 3322 to verify that your account is active.

Why don't you both wire me $100 and i will facilitate the transaction.

Centro · « **Reply #73 on:** July 17, 2014, 03:01:56 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 02:03:04 PM

Not just me

http://rt.com/news/173652-fights-avoid-ukrain-malaysian/

@MarketWatch: Here's a list of all the carriers who have said they will avoid flying in airspace over eastern Ukraine: on.mktw.net/1qiyjm1

YankyDoodle · « **Reply #74 on:** July 17, 2014, 03:07:53 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 17, 2014, 02:03:04 PM

Not just me

http://rt.com/news/173652-fights-avoid-ukrain-malaysian/

There are some crazy anti-American and anti-semitic comments on that site.

plainbachur · « **Reply #75 on:** July 17, 2014, 05:42:39 PM »

@VacuumDude: Spain based air traffic controller says #MH17 was followed by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets before it was blown up. https://t.co/DBFO5CsAsm

plainbachur · « **Reply #76 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:11:25 PM »

Now they are saying radar picked up the missile before hit the plane

yitzf · « **Reply #77 on:** July 17, 2014, 11:28:11 PM »

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/2014/07/17/the-weirdest-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-malaysia-airlines-flight/Vga8tXxgp0g9z4t4OtctYL/story.html

LA2NYC · « **Reply #78 on:** July 17, 2014, 11:49:13 PM »

I'm flying Aeroflot through Moscow for Sukkos (JFK->SVO->TLV and vice versa the way back). The SVO->TLV flight path looks like it goes right over Ukraine and this area. Any reason to be worried/cancel tix?

AJK · « **Reply #79 on:** July 18, 2014, 12:16:45 AM »

It doesn't. And no.