Author Topic: Malaysian Airlines Plane Crash. Flight #17 (Read 20530 times)

Dan · « **Reply #100 on:** July 18, 2014, 11:11:27 AM »

Quote from: Ergel on July 18, 2014, 11:09:46 AM

-100000
This incident had nothing to do with Malaysian Airlines. It could have happened to anybody.
The last one was either foul play, or pilot error - both related to the airline.

And I think Dan's comment was not a rational one but an emotional one

MH370 may or may not have anything to do with the airline, but the airline's and country's response was utterly incompetent.
Incompetent enough to make me avoid the airline.

AJK · « **Reply #101 on:** July 18, 2014, 11:16:56 AM »

I'm not sure I agree. Although I'd probably try to avoid them if I could (though I acknowledge that is irrational based on what we know about the most recent event), I'd fly them if I didn't have a better alternative.

TimT · « **Reply #102 on:** July 18, 2014, 11:19:54 AM »

& they're terrible at investigating.

zale · « **Reply #103 on:** July 18, 2014, 11:25:25 AM »

Quote from: Dan on July 18, 2014, 11:11:27 AM

MH370 may or may not have anything to do with the airline, but the airline's and country's response was utterly incompetent.
Incompetent enough to make me avoid the airline.

Well well... still looks like they have some pretty loyal fans.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2696941/Travellers-stand-Malaysia-Airlines.html

Dan · « **Reply #104 on:** July 18, 2014, 11:26:38 AM »

Quote from: zale on July 18, 2014, 11:25:25 AM

Well well... still looks like they have some pretty loyal fans.

They'll need them if they're to stay in business. They were bleeding money even before MH370.

KidOOO · « **Reply #105 on:** July 18, 2014, 01:52:06 PM »

Quote from: Ergel on July 18, 2014, 10:13:25 AM

So stop flying
There was a no fly zone under 32,000 feet. The jet was at 33,000 feet.
Maybe we should impose a no fly zone anywhere where there are missiles

You mean stop flying over or near war zones.

TimT · « **Reply #106 on:** July 18, 2014, 02:06:45 PM »

Little chance of getting to the bottom of it. Armed militiamen are controlling the crash site. A group of international monitors arrived but the rebels didn't allow most of them near the site. The black boxes are gone & surely the missile debris was removed as well.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #107 on:** July 18, 2014, 02:22:08 PM »

Quote from: TimT on July 18, 2014, 02:06:45 PM

Little chance of getting to the bottom of it. Armed militiamen are controlling the crash site. A group of international monitors arrived but the rebels didn't allow most of them near the site. The black boxes are gone & surely the missile debris was removed as well.

You can detect traces of explosives from other parts of the plane.

AJK · « **Reply #108 on:** July 18, 2014, 02:38:13 PM »

Quote from: TimT on July 18, 2014, 11:19:54 AM

& they're terrible at investigating.

MH?

You have any idea how hard it is to find the proverbial needle in a haystack? I'm not sure any other airline would have had an easier time finding the plane.

TimT · « **Reply #109 on:** July 18, 2014, 02:49:56 PM »

Quote from: AJK on July 18, 2014, 02:38:13 PM

MH?

You have any idea how hard it is to find the proverbial needle in a haystack? I'm not sure any other airline would have had an easier time finding the plane.

I mean following one angle for a month & then starting from scratch & following a different angle & then a few weeks later going back to angle 1.

TimT · « **Reply #110 on:** July 18, 2014, 02:52:29 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 18, 2014, 02:22:08 PM

You can detect traces of explosives from other parts of the plane.

Not if they don't let any knowledgeable people near the scene. & people have been taking things away.

AJK · « **Reply #111 on:** July 18, 2014, 03:03:23 PM »

Quote from: TimT on July 18, 2014, 02:49:56 PM

I mean following one angle for a month & then starting from scratch & following a different angle & then a few weeks later going back to angle 1.

Again, I don't see how any other airline would have done it differently. Everyone reviewed that data put out by Inmarsat, and everybody seemed to agree (at least superficially) that the course that was taken was the most practical.

Easy to judge as an armchair quarterback.

Emkay · « **Reply #112 on:** July 20, 2014, 08:15:05 AM »

good luck or bad luck?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/19/cheating-death-twice-maarten-de-jonge-changed-plan/

TimT · « **Reply #113 on:** July 20, 2014, 09:03:50 AM »

Quote from: Emkay on July 20, 2014, 08:15:05 AM

good luck or bad luck?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/19/cheating-death-twice-maarten-de-jonge-changed-plan/

Sounds like good luck to me. Although I wouldn't get on to any flight that he's scheduled to fly with.

frozy · « **Reply #114 on:** July 20, 2014, 09:40:56 AM »

Quote from: Dan on July 18, 2014, 08:59:44 AM

Crazy.
Though I don't know anyone that was on MH370 and still wouldn't have flown MH even if it was free after that craziness...

+1. I also don't fly AA and UA since 9/11

TimT · « **Reply #115 on:** July 20, 2014, 09:46:33 AM »

Quote from: frozy on July 20, 2014, 09:40:56 AM

+1. I also don't fly AA and UA since 9/11

They've got a pretty good record since then.

TimT · « **Reply #116 on:** July 20, 2014, 01:20:22 PM »

http://www.vosizneias.com/172029/2014/07/20/ukraine-rebels-taken-all-bodies-from-plane-crash-site-put-on-train-for-rebel-city/
Malaysian investigators or US investigators should have gone in there with a small army of blackwater agents & done their job. Blackwater would've taken care of any rebels in the way. This is a disgrace to the victims & it's near impossible to do a real investigation at this point.

Ergel · « **Reply #117 on:** July 20, 2014, 01:35:44 PM »

Black box appears to have been found
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/07/20/nd-mh17-malaysia-black-box.cnn.html

TimT · « **Reply #118 on:** July 20, 2014, 01:38:53 PM »

Quote from: Ergel on July 20, 2014, 01:35:44 PM

Black box appears to have been found
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/07/20/nd-mh17-malaysia-black-box.cnn.html

Video is 2 days old & no one knows who has it.

aradisc · « **Reply #119 on:** July 20, 2014, 02:50:14 PM »

Quote from: TimT on July 20, 2014, 01:20:22 PM

http://www.vosizneias.com/172029/2014/07/20/ukraine-rebels-taken-all-bodies-from-plane-crash-site-put-on-train-for-rebel-city/
Malaysian investigators or US investigators should have gone in there with a small army of blackwater agents & done their job. Blackwater would've taken care of any rebels in the way. This is a disgrace to the victims & it's near impossible to do a real investigation at this point.

Blackwater?!?!?! They probably would've gotten bored and decided to massacre a bunch of civilians.

Why exactly do you think the US should be putting troops or mercenaries on the ground after a crash of 1. A Malaysian plane in 2. Ukrainian airspace 3. That had a single US citizen on board, who wasn't traveling on a US passport? That would cause nothing but trouble- perhaps dragging the US into yet another war.