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Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« on: November 05, 2010, 01:12:49 PM »
Spirit airlines is offering 5000 miles, (enough for a RT ticket during some months of the year if you have their credit card, or even if you don't, but if you signed up a few months ago when they offered 5000 points for free you would now have 10k), if you sign up for the American cellers wine club, to get 6 wines for $42. You also get a corkscrew set (a $45 dollar value, "Yeah right") for free. So in essance 5000 points plus a corkscrew set for $42, not bad.
But is it called having HANA'AH from yayin nesech?

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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »
Spirit airlines is offering 5000 miles, (enough for a RT ticket during some months of the year if you have their credit card, or even if you don't, but if you signed up a few months ago when they offered 5000 points for free you would now have 10k), if you sign up for the American cellers wine club, to get 6 wines for $42. You also get a corkscrew set (a $45 dollar value, "Yeah right") for free. So in essance 5000 points plus a corkscrew set for $42, not bad.
But is it called having HANA'AH from yayin nesech?
There's no hann'ah in flying Spirit, only tzaar.

In all seriousness it is a valid question.
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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 01:34:52 PM »
My Dayan just said "Stam Yainum is mutter". What about your's?

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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 12:16:01 PM »
I actually just asked the question. I saw someone with a frum sounding SN on FT saying that he gave away bottles he bought for the US grand slam.
He was rushed but he said that for buying you can be somach on the M"A (stam yaynam) he thought there may be a problem of giving it away to a goy, he said he would get back to me.

He said the sheala is getting popular these days because ppl have started investing in non-kosher wines.
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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 04:28:14 PM »
In my opinion, you pay for joining the club, and get free wine on top.

So you don't pay for the wine.

It is however a problem I believe to gift the wine to someone else, so pour it down the toilet.

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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 07:25:17 PM »
It is however a problem I believe to gift the wine to someone else, so pour it down the toilet.

Unless u get hann'ah from that  ;)

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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 07:35:21 PM »
Unless u get hann'ah from that  ;)

Then you issues are much more serious that the OP's problem, time to book an appointment at a qualified therapist :D
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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 05:55:47 PM »
Valid on flights to Iran?

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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 06:49:27 PM »
As pointed out, this would be Stam Yeinam not YY"N.

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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 07:09:46 PM »
Ok, so the kitzur siman 47 (thanks to jewishcontent) says that it is a machlokes, halacha lemaaseh he holds that lechatchila one should not get wine with the intention to profit, he point out however, that there are those who  are meikel.
As always LOR is the way to go. (Dunno if everyone even holds like this, definitely not simple.)
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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 07:22:04 PM »
Rereading the question I realized that the question wasn't about selling the wine, rather about the miles. I think I'd agree with SF, and I would like to posit that even if you would actually get the miles for the wine and not for joining the club it might still be ok, since they are not being received instead of the wine, rather with it.
My two cents.
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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 02:00:47 AM »
Ok, so the kitzur siman 47 (thanks to jewishcontent) says that it is a machlokes, halacha lemaaseh he holds that lechatchila one should not get wine with the intention to profit, he point out however, that there are those who  are meikel.
As always LOR is the way to go. (Dunno if everyone even holds like this, definitely not simple.)
Is that about vadai YN, or Stam Yaynom
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Re: Hana'ah from Yayin Nesech?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 02:42:42 AM »
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