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Why does the world consider Israel the aggressors and Palestinians the victims?

Pure ignorance. People simply don't know the true history and the facts.
4 (6.5%)
Propaganda. An agenda-driven media has pumped out anti-Israel rhetoric for decades, and people have bought into it.
8 (12.9%)
Antisemitism. Deep down, Israel-hate comes from Jew-hate, both from gentiles and self-hating Jews. They don't care what the facts are, they just hate Jews.
21 (33.9%)
Because Israel IS the aggressor. (explain)
2 (3.2%)
Israel did this to themselves. Israel brought this upon themselves by constantly apologizing for defending themselves. When you apologize to the world, it is an admission of guilt.
3 (4.8%)
All of the above except #4.
15 (24.2%)
The vast majority of the free world is NOT against Israel.
9 (14.5%)

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Author Topic: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)  (Read 3197 times)

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2014, 08:31:46 PM »
I voted 5, though I also think that 3 plays a factor as well.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2014, 08:38:29 PM »
I voted 5, though I also think that 3 plays a factor as well.

I believe #5 to be the overall position of the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT"L, though I could be wrong.

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2014, 08:40:01 PM »
I believe #5 to be the overall position of the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT"L, though I could be wrong.
True though being that this world isn't black and white there could be other factors in play as well.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2014, 08:48:51 PM »
Released today. Somewhat validates the last choice in the poll.

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2014, 12:53:22 AM »
Released today. Somewhat validates the last choice in the poll.
no need for validation. just ask someone who has the pulse of the nation.  :)
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2014, 12:58:04 AM »
I think most people just hear of all the Palestinian casualties and look at all the numbers and just assume Israel is the "bad guy".
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2014, 09:29:47 AM »
I think most people just hear of all the Palestinian casualties and look at all the numbers and just assume Israel is the "bad guy".

That would be #2.

I still believe that every adult human being is responsible for their own position on Israel, regardless of what they are shown in the news, and especially in this case:

-Israel is a first world country, the 22 arab states are not
-Israel is known for it's ultra liberal stance on human rights, such as Gay rights, whereas you would be put to death for this (slowly and painfully) in any Arab state.
-Israeli Arabs have more freedom than Arabs living in any other Arab state.
-Israel produces top quality consumer goods
-Israel invents and manufactures some of the latest technologies that are used worldwide. (Including life-saving medical technologies).

Meanwhile, the Arab states invent nothing except methods of carrying out terrorism. Belt bombs, shoe bombs etc...

When the media then reports that Israel is indiscriminately killing children, anyone with 1/4 of a brain must ask "is this really true?". Is it really possible that a nation that is liberal enough to allow a gay pride parade smack in the middle of their modern capital, and a nation that cares so much about one single soldier that they would trade him for a thousand+ terrorists are the actual aggressors against a nation that hijacked planes, crashed planes into the WTC to deliberately kill civilians and blow up busses and subway cars in the UK? Can this be possible?

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2014, 09:31:49 AM »
-Israel is known for it's ultra liberal stance on human rights, such as Gay rights,
was not aware of this. more so than the US?
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2014, 09:42:48 AM »
was not aware of this. more so than the US?

Pretty much, yes.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

This is not something I'm proud of. My point is to show just how liberal and free Israeli's are as compared to their neighbors...

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2014, 09:45:34 AM »
not looking to debate the issue. just was surprised by it.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2014, 09:46:28 AM »


That would be #2.

I still believe that every adult human being is responsible for their own position on Israel, regardless of what they are shown in the news, and especially in this case:

-Israel is a first world country, the 22 arab states are not
-Israel is known for it's ultra liberal stance on human rights, such as Gay rights, whereas you would be put to death for this (slowly and painfully) in any Arab state.
-Israeli Arabs have more freedom than Arabs living in any other Arab state.
-Israel produces top quality consumer goods
-Israel invents and manufactures some of the latest technologies that are used worldwide. (Including life-saving medical technologies).

Meanwhile, the Arab states invent nothing except methods of carrying out terrorism. Belt bombs, shoe bombs etc...

When the media then reports that Israel is indiscriminately killing children, anyone with 1/4 of a brain must ask "is this really true?". Is it really possible that a nation that is liberal enough to allow a gay pride parade smack in the middle of their modern capital, and a nation that cares so much about one single soldier that they would trade him for a thousand+ terrorists are the actual aggressors against a nation that hijacked planes, crashed planes into the WTC to deliberately kill civilians and blow up busses and subway cars in the UK? Can this be possible?

Very well Said

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2014, 09:47:41 AM »
very small sample but the #1 answer is predictable.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2014, 10:10:13 AM »



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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2014, 10:19:34 AM »
Released today. Somewhat validates the last choice in the poll.
"liberalism is a disease".....!!
these ppl just fail to see things 4 what they are time & time again!
the just cant help themselves,  they always end up the wrong side of everything!

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2014, 10:31:39 AM »
Try changing to pre-1990 South Africa and see what you end up with.

I still believe that every adult human being is responsible for their own position on South Africa, regardless of what they are shown in the news, and especially in this case:

-South Africa is a first world country, the other Sub Saharan countries are not.
-South Africa is known for its justice system, whereas other African countries put people to death painfully and slowly without trial (switched because the LGBT movement wasn't so strong pre-1990, but SA would have been well ahead of the rest of Africa on that, too.)
-Black South Africans have more economic stability and opportunity than most blacks living in any other Sub Saharan country.
-South Africa produces top quality consumer goods
-South Africa invents and manufactures some of the latest nuclear technologies and life saving medical techniques that are used worldwide.

Meanwhile, Sub Saharan Africans invent nothing except methods of civil war, murder and corruption.


Your conclusions are (Arabs = bad) + (Jews = good) = Israel justified in doing whatever in the hizzle it wants to any Arab. Moral people can do unjust things. Dog lovers can be serial killers.  None of this has anything to do with the Israeli - Palestinian conflict, or how "the world" views it.

When people see you killing women and children indiscriminately, as a powerful, illegal occupying force, all the while claiming some sort of moral superiority (see your post), it is not so difficult to see why they support the freedom fighting Palestinian refugees.

This poll is just another portion of the echo chamber we are all part of when it comes to this issue, and it is nearly impossible to remove yourself from it and see things from an objective position.

Admittedly, even as a contrarian, I fail to see another view of the conflict outside of my "right wing extremist evil Zionist baby killer" pov. But it is still very easy to see why others wouldn't see my picture.
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