Poll

Why does the world consider Israel the aggressors and Palestinians the victims?

Pure ignorance. People simply don't know the true history and the facts.
4 (6.5%)
Propaganda. An agenda-driven media has pumped out anti-Israel rhetoric for decades, and people have bought into it.
8 (12.9%)
Antisemitism. Deep down, Israel-hate comes from Jew-hate, both from gentiles and self-hating Jews. They don't care what the facts are, they just hate Jews.
21 (33.9%)
Because Israel IS the aggressor. (explain)
2 (3.2%)
Israel did this to themselves. Israel brought this upon themselves by constantly apologizing for defending themselves. When you apologize to the world, it is an admission of guilt.
3 (4.8%)
All of the above except #4.
15 (24.2%)
The vast majority of the free world is NOT against Israel.
9 (14.5%)

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2014, 10:40:42 AM »
This poll is just another portion of the echo chamber we are all part of when it comes to this issue, and it is nearly impossible to remove yourself from it and see things from an objective position.
very small sample but the #1 answer is predictable.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2014, 10:53:53 AM »
Why would Eisav care to follow Halacha?
Halacha is that pig is traif.

The שאינו יודע לשאול pipes up: "But why would the pig care to follow halacha?"

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2014, 11:22:24 AM »
Try changing to pre-1990 South Africa and see what you end up with.

Your conclusions are (Arabs = bad) + (Jews = good) = Israel justified in doing whatever in the hizzle it wants to any Arab. Moral people can do unjust things. Dog lovers can be serial killers.  None of this has anything to do with the Israeli - Palestinian conflict, or how "the world" views it.

When people see you killing women and children indiscriminately, as a powerful, illegal occupying force, all the while claiming some sort of moral superiority (see your post), it is not so difficult to see why they support the freedom fighting Palestinian refugees.

This poll is just another portion of the echo chamber we are all part of when it comes to this issue, and it is nearly impossible to remove yourself from it and see things from an objective position.

Admittedly, even as a contrarian, I fail to see another view of the conflict outside of my "right wing extremist evil Zionist baby killer" pov. But it is still very easy to see why others wouldn't see my picture.

Why bring up South African apartheid when you can simply bring up the pre-1960's American South?

From Wikipedia:

"From 1960 to 1983, 3.5 million non-white South Africans were removed from their homes, and forced into segregated neighbourhoods, in one of the largest mass removals in modern history.[8] Non-white political representation was abolished in 1970, and starting in that year black people were deprived of their citizenship"

  • Was there a U.N. resolution passed, giving white South Africans their own state?
  • Did Israel forcefully remove Arabs from their homes and force them into Gaza?
  • Were Arabs who wished to stay deprived of their citizenship?
  • Is there no Arab representation in the Knesset?

Before bringing up Deir Yassin and the Irgun, I'll have you know that it is documented that Ben Gurion not only asked but BEGGED Arab villagers to stay in their cities. They fled anyway, due to a combination of Arab leaders telling them to leave and being afraid of the ongoing conflict, which was provoked 100% by the Arabs.

(I wonder, why didn't all the Jews flee Israel after the 1929 Hebron massacre?).

After multiple attacks on Jews in Israel, including a gruesome attack that killed over 80 doctors and nurses traveling to Hadassa hospital, Israel fought back, first against Arabs within Israel, and then 5 Arab countries that came to "drive the Jews into the sea".

Once Israel finally secured the land given to them legally by the U.N., plus lands that they captured in the course of the war (which by right of conquest, now belongs to Israel), the Arabs who stayed were given full privilege and full citizenship like any Jewish person there. As for those who ran, hoping Israel would be driven into the sea, I don't know a single country that would allow those people to come back, mainly for security reasons.

In summation, there is no fact-based backup to claim that Israel is "occupying" anything. Throwing around words like "Irgun" and "Deir Yassin" are meaningless in the face of the complete story.

I have never made any statement that "Arabs are bad and Jews are good". My statement simply pointed out that when watching this conflict on the news (heavily skewed in favor of the Palestinians), it must cross your mind that Israel might actually be the victim, considering the global terror emanating from Arab countries VS the productivity coming from Israel.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2014, 11:45:46 AM »
Anyone who has any doubt about the unbiased reporting

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2014, 11:49:16 AM »
Anyone who has any doubt about the unbiased reporting

+100. But here is the thing:

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2014, 12:04:36 PM »

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2014, 12:20:34 PM »
Why bring up South African apartheid when you can simply bring up the pre-1960's American South?


Because I'm South African ;-)  It also fit with your blanket generalizations over the entire Arab/Jewish world to potentially justify unrelated racism.
 
As for the rest of it - you're preaching to the choir. All I'm saying is to stop pretending there is no other way to view it. It is extremely easy to view this broader conflict from an occupied Palestinian perspective (albeit wrongly - IMHO).
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2014, 03:00:13 PM »

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2014, 05:12:27 PM »
I suppose you can call this the "silent" majority.

They are nowhere to be seen in social media, that's for sure.
try talking to average Americans and stop relying on social media.
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2014, 12:10:56 AM »


They are nowhere to be seen in social media, that's for sure.
of course not. studies show that on average, the more one is involved in social media for personal use, the lower their IQ.

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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
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Re: Why the world sides with the Palestinians. (Poll)
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2014, 12:22:01 PM »
In totally unrelated news: Death toll from Syrian civil war tops 191,000, overwhelming majority of which were civilians.
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