I'm Just Thinking

[TimT]

Apology accepted.

[meshugener]

Apology accepted.

In case you were offended

[TimT]

In case you were offended

Nope. I genuinely thought there was some deep meaning to that word. Never dreamt it was just a typo. I guess nobody's perfect.

[meshugener]

Nope. I genuinely thought there was some deep meaning to that word. Never dreamt it was just a typo. I guess nobody's perfect.

That's right, brother.
Love your personality

[Super Speed]

Hi all,

I got a little too far.
I want to apologize in public. Mywords towards Nitantnel were more than a little too far.

I hope he forgives me - I didn't intend to offend anyone.


Mesh

Why not open an apology thread?

[meshugener]

Why not open an apology thread?

You have a good point - I apologize.

[TimT]

You have a good point - I apologize.

[meshugener]

I think you meant to post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/

LOL
Love it

[SamKey]

Anyone else just look at he title and say "THANK GOD!"

[meshugener]

Anyone else just look at he title and say "THANK GOD!"

 

[David Smith]

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[imayid2]

A drunkard is not in control of his actions.
There is no law against getting stone drunk.

Yet we prosecute people for driving drunk, even though they had no control of that decision.

Go figure.

[Dan]

A drunkard is not in control of his actions.
There is no law against getting stone drunk.

Yet we prosecute people for driving drunk, even though they had no control of that decision.

Go figure.

You failed to designate a driver or schedule an Uber before drinking.

[imayid2]

You failed to designate a driver or schedule an Uber before drinking.

Ok what about the guy who flies into a rage and kills somebody?

[Something Fishy]

A drunkard is not in control of his actions.

אדם מועד לעולם

[imayid2]

אדם מועד לעולם

Even when he’s not in control at all according to some. Agreed. That should work from a halakhic standpoint - in regards to חיובי אדם המזיק.

Is there a secular law parallel in regards to damages incurred? I would imagine there is.

This is all in regards to financial liability. Nothing beyond that.

[Dan]

Drinking might dull your judgement, but it doesn't mean you have no judgement.

Perhaps it wouldn't be first degree murder if you're drunk, but it would be an uphill battle to prove you were utterly and completely not in control of your actions. Most people would pass out long before that point.

[koplonko]

שיכור vs שיכור כלוט

[YitzyS]

אדם מועד לעולם

I once had this argument with a big Talmid Chochom.

It says that when someone goes to sleep near keilim, he is chayiv if he damages them in his sleep, but if the kailim are not near him but are brought later, he's patur. (Bava Kamah, IIRC 3a or 4a)

So what about someone getting drunk? This person wanted to say that if he got drunk (and is therefore not a bar daas), he would be patur if he damages kailim that are not near him. I, however, argued that when a person gets drunk, ALL kailim in the city are considered "etzlo" - near him. Because unlike a sleeping person who lacks mobility, a drunk person is mobile, and even though he's no longer a bar daas, he put himself in that situation where he can damage everything in his city.

[mevinyavin]

I once had this argument with a big Talmid Chochom.

It says that when someone goes to sleep near keilim, he is chayiv if he damages them in his sleep, but if the kailim are not near him but are brought later, he's patur. (Bava Kamah, IIRC 3a or 4a)

So what about someone getting drunk? This person wanted to say that if he got drunk (and is therefore not a bar daas), he would be patur if he damages kailim that are not near him. I, however, argued that when a person gets drunk, ALL kailim in the city are considered "etzlo" - near him. Because unlike a sleeping person who lacks mobility, a drunk person is mobile, and even though he's no longer a bar daas, he put himself in that situation where he can damage everything in his city.

Interestingly, Rema in Mechir Hayayin says that since you have to drink and this may cause you to be chayev, you have no choice but to drink "ad sheyagiya l'shichruso shel Lot" so you'll be potur. This implies that anything less is a potential problem.
There is another nekuda - our local Choshen Mishpat posek noted that it could be there is a ptur from Purim damages because the person is osek bsimcha shel mitzvah.

Don't have the sources for either of these nearby. Maybe someone else can help with that.