Bobov -- Din Torah Psak

[avremie]

They have no choice. The halacha is clear on this.

It's good to see justice being served.

There has always been the idea of din v. Pshara with the latter being equal.
As an outsider I don't know the details of  the machlokes and the psak did not give mekoros so can you please provide? (It's obviously not regular hilchos yerusha)

[sruly101]

Well you can't tell a large group of chassidim (around %40) that chose to go with the rebbes Kids (in this case it's his daughter) and not with the rebbes brother, NOTHING!!

Well whoever knows a bit knows that 2 of the dayunim from the bes din are really close with the side that won..... I don't wanna talk on rabbunim but it's a real shame and chillul hashem!!

[Ygold]

IMHO a psak that gives one side everything will only decrease the chance that satmar/viznitz or any other fighting (or soon to be fighting) chassidus will choose bais din over court.

A Psak is based on the TORAH & Halachah. There is no two ways about it. A psak which takes into account political considerations is not a psak from bais din. If witznitzbobovlubavitchsatmar or anyone else doesn't like it, their free to convert or whatever. 

[Ygold]

Well you can't tell a large group of chassidim (around %40) that chose to go with the rebbes Kids (in this case it's his daughter) and not with the rebbes brother, NOTHING!!

Well whoever knows a bit knows that 2 of the dayunim from the bes din are really close with the side that won..... I don't wanna talk on rabbunim but it's a will shame and chillul hashem!!

The halacha can dictate whatever god wants, PERIOD.
And for your second point, what you are doing is Assur and is an issur. Even though you don't like the Psak, it is assur to meharher after the Psak. "I don't want to talk on rabbunim" and that's precisely what you do! Plus you are the only one making a chillul hashem!

[sruly101]

Well it's not that I don't like the psak, since I'm not in any party there, what I am saying is that if you know a bit the bet din world you would of heard that in these days (the past few 100 years) you work out a "peshura". Up down but in the end somewhere in the middle, there is almost no such psak in which both sides have real "Tanus" that one is fully right and one fully wrong/loss. Except when something goes wrong...

[AsherO]

You thought Lubavitch was the only Chassidus with fighting?

I didn't know there was fighting in Lubavitch.

Psaak

I noticed R' ABR is on this beis din as well, hmmm...

[moish]

Well it's not that I don't like the psak, since I'm not in any party there, what I am saying is that if you know a bit the bet din world you would of heard that in these days (the past few 100 years) you work out a "peshura". Up down but in the end somewhere in the middle, there is almost no such psak in which both sides have real "Tanus" that one is fully right and one fully wrong/loss. Except when something goes wrong...

since when is a bes din responsible to make a pshara? a bes din is responsible to issue a psak of who is right and who is wrong. they can recommend coming to a pshara, but a bes din is ultimately supposed to pasken

[henche]

since when is a bes din responsible to make a pshara? a bes din is responsible to issue a psak of who is right and who is wrong. they can recommend coming to a pshara, but a bes din is ultimately supposed to pasken

Actually, the shulchan aruch states that it is preferable to do peshara, if the parties will agree to it.  If not, they should get the parties to agree to do din, karov to din torah. Only if they refuse that do we do "din torah".

 

[elit]

You thought Lubavitch was the only Chassidus with fighting?

They're all the same just the others are fighting who gets to be the Rebbe and lubavitch is fighting who gets to not be the Rebbe 😝

[elit]

Well you can't tell a large group of chassidim (around %40) that chose to go with the rebbes Kids (in this case it's his daughter) and not with the rebbes brother, NOTHING!!

Well whoever knows a bit knows that 2 of the dayunim from the bes din are really close with the side that won..... I don't wanna talk on rabbunim but it's a real shame and chillul hashem!!

What you just said is an issur דארייתא and the exact case the chofetz chaim talks about how horrible it is and how big of a chilul hashem. I suggest you delete your post.

[AnonymousUser]

What you just said is an issur דארייתא and the exact case the chofetz chaim talks about how horrible it is and how big of a chilul hashem. I suggest you delete your post.

There isn't much point once you quoted him.

[elit]

There isn't much point once you quoted him.

Good point. I wanted him to get notified of my response. I can delete my post once he deletes his though

[Baruch]

Well you can't tell a large group of chassidim (around %40) that chose to go with the rebbes Kids (in this case it's his daughter) and not with the rebbes brother, NOTHING!!

Well whoever knows a bit knows that 2 of the dayunim from the bes din are really close with the side that won..... I don't wanna talk on rabbunim but it's a real shame and chillul hashem!!

IIRC, the way the B"D was set up was 2 ppl close to each side who pick a 5th. So what's your point?

[Baruch]

Well it's not that I don't like the psak, since I'm not in any party there, what I am saying is that if you know a bit the bet din world you would of heard that in these days (the past few 100 years) you work out a "peshura". Up down but in the end somewhere in the middle, there is almost no such psak in which both sides have real "Tanus" that one is fully right and one fully wrong/loss. Except when something goes wrong...

Absolute shtusim. Pshara doesn't mean down the middle. They made a pshara by giving the other side 6m. Pshara is almost never down the middle. Stop talking about Bais Din, when you are obviously clueless.

If one side has weak taynus they can get a very small percent.

[Centro]

I once heard from a Rush Yeshiva; It's a "איסור דאוריתא" to go to court, you are certainly not allowed to go to court, but I very much pity one who has to go to din toirah...

[Yitz]

I once heard from a Rush Yeshiva; It's a "איסור דאוריתא" to go to court, you are certainly not allowed to go to court, but I very much pity one who has to go to din toirah...

+1

[Achas Veachas]

ר' יוסף חיים זוננפלד פעם אמר על מה שמבקשים בתפילה השיבה שופטינו כבראשונה וכו' והסר ממנו יגון ואנחה דלכאו' מה הקשר? אלא שכיום כשרב אומר משהו ורואים שזה לא כ"כ לענין או אמיתי אז המקסימום שאפשר  לעשות זה געבן אקרעכץ...כי הרי אסור לדבר נגד הרב ולכן מבקשים השיבה שופטינו כבראשונה וממילא יהיה יוסר מאיתנו יגון ואנחה..

[yitzf]

IIRC, the way the B"D was set up was 2 ppl close to each side who pick a 5th. So what's your point?

+1
From what I've heard it was a zabla so of course 2 are "close" to one side.

[ilherman]

Why does such Pesak take 10 years to come out   

[bubkiz]

Is the Satmer situation in front of Bais Din?