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Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« on: August 24, 2014, 01:00:39 AM »
What are your thoughts on the Psak?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2014, 01:04:40 AM »

What are your thoughts on the Psak?
What was the Psak???

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 01:08:43 AM »
That one is called Bobov . just bobov . nothing else. Plus they get the RE. Other side gets to be called bobov 72 and gets 6MM... ::)

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 01:18:57 AM »
That one is called Bobov . just bobov . nothing else. Plus they get the RE. Other side gets to be called bobov 72 and gets 6MM... ::)
72?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2014, 01:34:06 AM »
The psak took 9+ years & bobov 45 couldve made out with a settlement with much more $ had they changed their name early in the din Torah.
This 6.2m doesnt even bring them above water.

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2014, 02:20:38 AM »
It was a very very sharp psak nocking the boboev 45 out of the park they r DONE!
A smooth sea never made a skilled sailor.

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2014, 02:25:58 AM »
What was the Psak???
The following are some of the important highlights:
 
·         Only R' Benzion Halberstam Shlita, the son of R' Shloime Halberstam Zatzal, can be called the "Bobov Ruv and Bobov Rebbe".
 
·         R' Mordechai Dovid Unger and R' Shia Rubin may not be called "Bobov Ruv and Rebbe". This applies to the US and everywhere else in the world.
 
·         It is the responsibility of Rabbis Unger and Rubin to make sure that they are not so called in any way shape or form. They must inform all newspapers and make sure that they are never so announced at weddings or anywhere else.
 
·         It is further their responsibility to make sure that whenever someone refers to "Bobov", it is understand unequivocally to mean the faction of  R' Halberstam.
 
·         R' Unger and Rubin have the option to call themselves with an additional name of a town along with the name of Bobov, so long as the new town name comes before "Bobov". (For example they may choose to be called "Sanz Bobov" or "Rupshits Bobov". They also have the option to choose to call themselves "Bobov 45"). They must quickly choose their name. Once their choice is made, that name will become final and they may never change to a different name along with the name Bobov.
 
·         The Unger faction may not call their Moisdos and Corporations by any of the names being currently used by Bobov. Including but not limited to: Kehal Sharei Zion, Yeshivah Bnei Zion, Bnos Zion, Mesivta Eits Chaim, Kollel Zichron Chaim, Ameidei Zion, Camps Shalva and Gila.
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·         The Unger faction must change their Emblems. And they may not use the same uniform for the girls as Bobov is currently using.
 
·         EVERY SINGLE Bobov asset belongs to the faction of R' Halberstam. Including but not limited to the following buildings: New Beis Medrash, Old Beis medrash, Yeshiva buildings on 48 and 42nd streets, Mesivta buildings, Bnos Zion Buildings, Kerem Shloime Building, Mesivta camp in the Poconos, Camps Shalva, Kerem Shloime and Camp Gila.
 
·         The Unger faction shall receive $6.2 million - to be paid out over a period of 5 years. This is the grand total they will receive out of the vast Bobov enterprise.it

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2014, 02:32:27 AM »
Psaak
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Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2014, 02:37:46 AM »
Psaak
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Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2014, 02:39:37 AM »
Psaak
Airlines sending me "We're in this together" emails.

Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2014, 02:42:48 AM »
Psaak
Airlines sending me "We're in this together" emails.

Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2014, 02:45:02 AM »
For those of us who didn't even know this was going on, can someone give us a three sentence summary of the whole parsha?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2014, 02:47:06 AM »
Psaak
Airlines sending me "We're in this together" emails.

Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2014, 02:52:55 AM »
For those of us who didn't even know this was going on, can someone give us a three sentence summary of the whole parsha?
You thought Lubavitch was the only Chassidus with fighting? :P

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2014, 02:54:25 AM »
No. I thought Lubavitch was the only Chasidus, period.;)

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 01:15:48 AM »
IMHO a psak that gives one side everything will only decrease the chance that satmar/viznitz or any other fighting (or soon to be fighting) chassidus will choose bais din over court.

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 02:15:35 AM »
For those of us who didn't even know this was going on, can someone give us a three sentence summary of the whole parsha?
R Shlomo Halberstam was niftar in 2000.  His son R Naftoli was born before the war and succeeded him.  He was niftar about 5 years after his father.
R Shlomo's second family has one son - R Benzion.  Who is about the same age as the 2 children of R Naftoli - who are both girls- married to R Modche Dovid Unger and R Shia Rubin.


Who succeeds R Naftoli - his heirs - one of his 2 sons-in -law? namely R Unger?
Or his younger half-brother - his father's other heir?


Bais din just ruled overwhelmingly for little brother.
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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2014, 02:28:07 AM »
R Shlomo Halberstam was niftar in 2000.  His son R Naftoli was born before the war and succeeded him.  He was niftar about 5 years after his father.
R Shlomo's second family has one son - R Benzion.  Who is about the same age as the 2 children of R Naftoli - who are both girls- married to R Modche Dovid Unger and R Shia Rubin.


Who succeeds R Naftoli - his heirs - one of his 2 sons-in -law? namely R Unger?
Or his younger half-brother - his father's other heir?


Bais din just ruled overwhelmingly for little brother.

Very clear and simple. Thank you.

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2014, 02:29:32 AM »
IMHO a psak that gives one side everything will only decrease the chance that satmar/viznitz or any other fighting (or soon to be fighting) chassidus will choose bais din over court.

They have no choice. The halacha is clear on this.

It's good to see justice being served.

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Re: Bobov -- Din Torah Psak
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2014, 02:39:42 AM »
They have no choice. The halacha is clear on this.

It's good to see justice being served.
I disagree.  Once R Naftoli inherited, how is it reverting to his brother?  Because it was not R Naftoli's to pass to his yorshim? Why not?
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