Author Topic: Missing Bochur - Aaron Sofer (BD"E) (Read 25850 times)

sky121 · « **Reply #100 on:** August 28, 2014, 12:55:40 AM »

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 12:54:40 AM

Rabbi Sorotzkin said that they don't really suspect him, they just want to get the US off their heads.

How would he know this?

Baruch · « **Reply #101 on:** August 28, 2014, 12:57:32 AM »

ilherman · « **Reply #102 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:04:57 AM »

What's the story with the lie detector?

menachem_m · « **Reply #103 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:06:05 AM »

Unless I'm missing something, I don't get what's with the conspiracy theories.

Is it not standard procedure to question the last person he was with? (Of course still with the assumption of innocence.)

Is the last person to be with someone, not the natural suspect number 1? (Again, still with the presumption of innocence.)

Is there really ABSOLUTELY NOTHING suspicious at all about leaving someone alone in a forest?!?

No one should be accused of wrong doing without due process, and only time will tell the truth, but I just don't see any conspiracy going on over here.

sky121 · « **Reply #104 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:07:56 AM »

Quote from: D93 on August 27, 2014, 10:46:08 PM

if hamas has him, why didnt they say anything til now, no demands, nothing? very strange

If Hamas has him and I'm not sure that I think they do they wouldn't necessarily take credit or make demands just yet at all.

Meanwhile I don't know why everyone is so quick to bash the Israeli government and the police.

The story we've heard so far is very odd indeed. Let's assume the police know what they're doing before going around bashing their job.
Why is everyone so quick to play the "charedi" card?

sky121 · « **Reply #105 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:08:51 AM »

Quote from: menachem_m on August 28, 2014, 01:06:05 AM

Unless I'm missing something, I don't get what's with the conspiracy theories.

Is it not standard procedure to question the last person he was with? (Of course still with the assumption of innocence.)

Is the last person to be with someone, not the natural suspect number 1? (Again, still with the presumption of innocence.)

Is there really ABSOLUTELY NOTHING suspicious at all about leaving someone alone in a forest?!?

No one should be accused of wrong doing without due process, and only time will tell the truth, but I just don't see any conspiracy going on over here.

+1

It would certainly go along with the fact that the story was so vague and weird.

Baruch · « **Reply #106 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:11:05 AM »

Did you miss that Rabbi Sorotzkin said that they are starving the kid? Are you accusing a Gadol B'Yisrael of lying?

Baruch · « **Reply #107 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:12:22 AM »

In this clip Dov Hikind clearly says that the Israeli Gov't didn't do enough during the 1st few days.

menachem_m · « **Reply #108 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:15:44 AM »

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 01:11:05 AM

Did you miss that Rabbi Sorotzkin said that they are starving the kid? Are you accusing a Gadol B'Yisrael of lying?

Huh?

He obviously did not get that information first hand.

So its either second, third, fourth or fifth.

Are you suggesting that it would be impossible that it wasn't 'broken telephoned' along the way?

How does lying even come into the picture?

sky121 · « **Reply #109 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:16:51 AM »

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 01:11:05 AM

Did you miss that Rabbi Sorotzkin said that they are starving the kid? Are you accusing a Gadol B'Yisrael of lying?

Nope. But it sounds like they are assuming he's unquestionably innocent.

sky121 · « **Reply #110 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:19:03 AM »

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 01:12:22 AM

In this clip Dov Hikind clearly says that the Israeli Gov't didn't do enough during the 1st few days.

He said, to them, it seems like they didn't. To me the whole case seems odd. I would hope the police know more than we do.

Also, why would they treat him like a soldier missing? An active soldier missing is always gonna get more effort into their being found. Meanwhile that has nothing to do with being Charedi.

ybeeds · « **Reply #111 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:19:28 AM »

Baruch · « **Reply #112 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:20:02 AM »

Quote from: menachem_m on August 28, 2014, 01:15:44 AM

Huh?

He obviously did not get that information first hand.

So its either second, third, fourth or fifth.

Are you suggesting that it would be impossible that it wasn't 'broken telephoned' along the way?

How does lying even come into the picture?

why is that obvious to you?

menachem_m · « **Reply #113 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:20:58 AM »

Was he inside the jail cell? Or the interrogation room?

By all means, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Baruch · « **Reply #114 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:21:21 AM »

Quote from: menachem_m on August 28, 2014, 01:06:05 AM

Unless I'm missing something, I don't get what's with the conspiracy theories.

Is it not standard procedure to question the last person he was with? (Of course still with the assumption of innocence.)

Is the last person to be with someone, not the natural suspect number 1? (Again, still with the presumption of innocence.)

Is there really ABSOLUTELY NOTHING suspicious at all about leaving someone alone in a forest?!?

No one should be accused of wrong doing without due process, and only time will tell the truth, but I just don't see any conspiracy going on over here.

What you're missing is the accusation of starvation! That changes everything!

Baruch · « **Reply #115 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:23:15 AM »

Quote from: menachem_m on August 28, 2014, 01:20:58 AM

Was he inside the jail cell? Or the interrogation room?

By all means, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Do you think Rav Sorotzkin would make a claim in front of thousands of people based on a far fetched source?

Your original post said you don't get the conspiracy of questioning the friend. THAT'S NOT THE CONSPIRACY. The conspiracy is starving him.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #116 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:27:23 AM »

Quote from: menachem_m on August 28, 2014, 01:06:05 AM

Unless I'm missing something, I don't get what's with the conspiracy theories.

Is it not standard procedure to question the last person he was with? (Of course still with the assumption of innocence.)

Is the last person to be with someone, not the natural suspect number 1? (Again, still with the presumption of innocence.)

Is there really ABSOLUTELY NOTHING suspicious at all about leaving someone alone in a forest?!?

No one should be accused of wrong doing without due process, and only time will tell the truth, but I just don't see any conspiracy going on over here.

Everything you have said makes sense except one thing. While the police will always say they give the person being interrogated the presumption of innocence that is not always the case.

sky121 · « **Reply #117 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:28:14 AM »

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 01:23:15 AM

Do you think Rav Sorotzkin would make a claim in front of thousands of people based on a far fetched source?

Your original post said you don't get the conspiracy of questioning the friend. THAT'S NOT THE CONSPIRACY. The conspiracy is starving him.

Why is that a conspiracy? While you may not agree with the practice it is done often enough to get people to confess.
I for one am praying for him. But that in no way means I believe unquestionably that he is innocent.

menachem_m · « **Reply #118 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:28:42 AM »

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 01:23:15 AM

Do you think Rav Sorotzkin would make a claim in front of thousands of people based on a far fetched source?

Your original post said you don't get the conspiracy of questioning the friend. THAT'S NOT THE CONSPIRACY. The conspiracy is starving him.

So do you think he was inside the interrogation room and saw it first hand?

Yes or no?

Hate to Mr. Obvious, but I think it's pretty clear which one it was.

menachem_m · « **Reply #119 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:30:17 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 28, 2014, 01:27:23 AM

Everything you have said makes sense except one thing. While the police will always say they give the person being interrogated the presumption of innocence that is not always the case.

True. Which is why, although not always perfect, we have a court system.