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Should Dan Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2014, 01:44:13 AM »
Next person who does it to me gets thrown to the wolves :P
The DDF wolves ? Or do you have other wolves too.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #121 on: September 09, 2014, 01:45:04 AM »
Do you know which guys were in on it? Was it just Dovid, all 3 or some other combo?
Dovid was the mastermind, the other 2 were bystanders who should've asked more questions, but greed probably got in the way.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #122 on: September 09, 2014, 01:46:57 AM »
Dovid was the mastermind, the other 2 were bystanders who should've asked more questions, but greed probably got in the way.
Did Dovid do it for some kind of revenge or just because he was in love with your points?
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #123 on: September 09, 2014, 01:53:10 AM »
Did Dovid do it for some kind of revenge
No.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #124 on: September 09, 2014, 01:56:25 AM »
Shocking story!!!
But I think you went too soft on him.
You are probably 1 in thousands that he is scaming in one way or another, hell I bet you he is a credit card farmer.
If u work for a living, why kill urself working?

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #125 on: September 09, 2014, 01:56:58 AM »
But I think you went too soft on him.
What do you think I should do?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #126 on: September 09, 2014, 01:59:23 AM »
Shocking story!!!
But I think you went too soft on him.
You are probably 1 in thousands that he is scaming in one way or another, hell I bet you he is a credit card farmer.
Why would a cc farmer need Dan's points ? He should have enough of his own (or everyone else's)

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #127 on: September 09, 2014, 01:59:56 AM »
What do you think I should do?
Steal all his points accounts.
(I'm about to do it if you don't )
On a more serious note if I don't know what to tell you...
« Last Edit: September 09, 2014, 02:03:18 AM by Myccrabbi »
If u work for a living, why kill urself working?

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #128 on: September 09, 2014, 02:01:05 AM »
Why would a cc farmer need Dan's points ? He should have enough of his own (or everyone else's)
PGF
If u work for a living, why kill urself working?

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #129 on: September 09, 2014, 02:04:12 AM »
Shocking story!!!
But I think you went too soft on him.
You are probably 1 in thousands that he is scaming in one way or another, hell I bet you he is a credit card farmer.
+1
This story is absolutely insane!
I would have at least tried to get him to p.. In his pants for a few weeks

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #130 on: September 09, 2014, 02:06:02 AM »
I think you should ask your rav if you can disclose his name to IHG and leave it to them

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #131 on: September 09, 2014, 02:12:14 AM »
What do you think I should do?
Post his picture.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #132 on: September 09, 2014, 02:13:08 AM »
What do you think I should do?
Tell the guy to back IHG... or else.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #133 on: September 09, 2014, 02:32:59 AM »
I am not very frum now, but I went to the most chassidish school in town. All the classes were in Yiddish and most of the students were children of kollol yungeleit. I was taught from the age of 5 that we must hate and murder amalek for  no reason. They taught us that we must kill every single one of them even if they lived in isolation for the past 3000 years and for 3000 years they never have seen a Jew. We were taught that goyim were all created to serve us and we are far superior than them. We were taught (in first grade!)  that being black was a curse of God. We were never taught ethics outside of religion. We were taught halacha and everything else but we were not taught as humans what is wrong and right. We were brainwashed and fooled into being a good frum Jew but not a good person. Recently I asked a big famous Rosh Yeshiva if God wants us to be good humans or good Jews (if we had to choose 1 of the 2) and he replied God want us to be good Jews.
I'm not sure how this is relevant to this particular story at all.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #134 on: September 09, 2014, 02:36:12 AM »
What about a PSA on DDMS about the pitfalls you have learned from this? You can inform others how to be more vigilant without even going into the story.
+1.

I think this is a great way to present it.

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #135 on: September 09, 2014, 02:50:56 AM »
I'm not sure how this is relevant to this particular story at all.
What I was trying to say is, we have to focus our education more on ethics.
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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #136 on: September 09, 2014, 03:51:13 AM »
What I was trying to say is, we have to focus our education more on ethics.
Frankly, It sounds to me like you were fed a shallow version of yiddeshkeit, which sadly didn't stand up to the test of life. Perhaps if you'de have taken the time and effort to try and understand these concepts you wouldn't be so troubled by them.

I believe your post mirrors this problem specifically, each one of the issues you raised are presented in a oversimplifies negative context.

The majority of DDF users have no problem with these issues and have developed a deeper understanding of them.

"Ethics" outside of a religious system is undefined and can be abused or used as one sees fit. In  truth it is but a practical social construct which has no more inherent value than the quality of life it provides for us.

If society were to begin to begin to find drugs, gun fights, and prostitution to be acceptable and praiseworthy then these could be called "ethical", but that could never happen... right?...listen to a random sampling of 5 rap songs and you won't be so sure anymore.

The first R' Avadiya MeBartenura on Avos makes the point that the reason the chain of Torah ShBal Pe is first listed here of all places (mid-nezikin) is to make sure nobody mistakes the morality and ethics written here for a human construct, rather OUR ETHICS come from Hashem in the very same chain as EVERY other part of the Torah.

He is essentially warning us not to fall into the fallacy of assuming that your own moral meter can decide what is right regardless of what G-d has to say. He is warning us not make the mistakes you proudly portray in your post. You naively yet arrogantly indicate your belief that G-d's morality is skewed and you have got it right.

"Ethics" that are not in line with halacha and Torah hashkafa are meaningless and dangerous, why should we teach that to our children?

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #137 on: September 09, 2014, 04:11:38 AM »
Frankly, It sounds to me like you were fed a shallow version of yiddeshkeit, which sadly didn't stand up to the test of life. Perhaps if you'de have taken the time and effort to try and understand these concepts you wouldn't be so troubled by them.
I was not fed a shallow type of yiddishkeit. I do not sin because I do not believe or do not understand. I sin because I enjoy the pleasures more than I fear God. My faith in God is solid and so is my understanding. I still think that we should shy away from unethical concepts in the torah including amalek and not try to explain it to a 6 year old like it is simple. It is the last thing from simple and it is one of the strongest arguments the Christians use against the Jewish religion. This past weeks parsha talked about how the torah permits rape after a battle. Would you teach that to a 6 year old? Is that ethical? Forget the work "ethics" and think about right, wrong and gray areas. Many of the frum people I know, like to go in the gray area of halacha as well. Davening shachris a few minutes past the zman, talking during prayers etc....  When a child is raised with halacha as the only code of ethics and he sees people bending the small rules (even for a good reason) he will not be able to know the difference between wrong, really wrong and right.
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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #138 on: September 09, 2014, 04:52:59 AM »
What do you think I should do?

Epstein  ;)

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Re: Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?
« Reply #139 on: September 09, 2014, 06:30:21 AM »
That's actually why I was hesitant to post the story at all. I'm setting myself up for more of these issues.
He did it over the phone with a dumb rep.
IHG is pathetic.
+1 
DDMS?:  I do believe you will be setting yourself up if you go DDMS.  You will be teaching a new hack IMO.   You are getting people from other sites more and more now.    They are most likely not G-d fearing  (Of course, there are always exceptions on both ends as we obviously saw here!)   What a wonderful challenge you will be offering them!  Dan is vulnerable. $$$  :o 8)

SHARE:  When something horrific, unfathomable happens you want to be able to talk about it and share.  You did that with those of us here who respect and support you.  Send them a link?  Why?  To show them you are confused, soft, and hurting now?  I wouldn't... on the chance that they are not reading this.   

What do you think I should do?

POA:  Advice? Yes, but your plan of action (POA) should not be public IMO.   You want the ball in your court, not in the public arena of a forum or certainly not DDMS.  I think they should be taught a lesson that they won't forget!  On the chance that they are reading this...please check your email tomorrow.

HELP OR SYMPATHY:  If you still feel you need to go DDMS, what is your goal?  To warn people?  Help others?  Get sympathy?  Getting poor you sympathy will make you vulnerable and weak.  Not fitting for your image IMO.   So how do you warn and help people without giving potential hackers ideas?  Without giving fame to this/these callous criminal(s)?  (Yes, it's stealing.)   What if you  posted "With the breaches of security that are rampant now, I have compiled a list of ..." without any personal connection?   If this doesn't feel right, you may still need sympathy and then it may not be wise to post DDMS.

BRACHA:  May this be a loving kapara from HaKadosh Baruch Hu for you in these last days of Elul.  (And may the rest of us never have to have such a shocking kapara!)  Chasiva v'chasima toiva to you and your loved ones.


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