Petition: Should Dan Please Share The Story Of The Stolen Points Or Not?

[cholent]

We were never taught ethics outside of religion. We were taught halacha and everything else but we were not taught as humans what is wrong and right. We were brainwashed and fooled into being a good frum Jew but not a good person. Recently I asked a big famous Rosh Yeshiva if God wants us to be good humans or good Jews (if we had to choose 1 of the 2) and he replied God want us to be good Jews.

Sorry, I disagree with this. Part of being a good Jew is being a good person. If you were taught halacha, that should have included hilchos bein adam l'chaveiro.

[ah]

There are sick, sick people out there.

[ilherman]

I am not very frum now, but I went to the most chassidish school in town. All the classes were in Yiddish and most of the students were children of kollol yungeleit. I was taught from the age of 5 that we must hate and murder amalek for  no reason. They taught us that we must kill every single one of them even if they lived in isolation for the past 3000 years and for 3000 years they never have seen a Jew. We were taught that goyim were all created to serve us and we are far superior than them. We were taught (in first grade!)  that being black was a curse of God. We were never taught ethics outside of religion. We were taught halacha and everything else but we were not taught as humans what is wrong and right. We were brainwashed and fooled into being a good frum Jew but not a good person. Recently I asked a big famous Rosh Yeshiva if God wants us to be good humans or good Jews (if we had to choose 1 of the 2) and he replied God want us to be good Jews.

I went to a Chasidishe school as well I was teached to be a good jew.

And yes, we MUST hate and murder amalek for  no reason. We must kill every single one of them even if they lived in isolation for the past 3000 years and for 3000 years they never have seen a Jew. At least that what it says in the Thorah and I am saying it every day.

[TimT]

Very well written. That's not rambling.

[EMCC]

Sorry, I disagree with this. Part of being a good Jew is being a good person. If you were taught halacha, that should have included hilchos bein adam l'chaveiro.

That only applies for Jews. The only place it says you have to respect non jew is "ahavas brios".

[nobiggy]

Recently I asked a big famous Rosh Yeshiva if God wants us to be good humans or good Jews (if we had to choose 1 of the 2) and he replied God want us to be good Jews.

A good Jew includes a good human plus more. The basics is demanded from every person,jew and non jew alike. Being a jew is something that obligates us to act even better, to do the basics AND to go beyond the letter of the law.

[htg123]

So sad...no hakoras hatov....I feel sick from those stories. They should for sure be published ..

[Dan]

Meanwhile this guy gets off scot free and will probably just keep doing this.

[menachem_m]

IHG won't send him a bill?!

[Freddie]

1. You're lucky IHG is eating the loss.
2. Since IHG is eating the loss (see #1) aren't they motivated to come after the guy themselves?

[moko]

I am not very frum now, but I went to the most chassidish school in town. All the classes were in Yiddish and most of the students were children of kollol yungeleit. I was taught from the age of 5 that we must hate and murder amalek for  no reason. They taught us that we must kill every single one of them even if they lived in isolation for the past 3000 years and for 3000 years they never have seen a Jew. We were taught that goyim were all created to serve us and we are far superior than them. We were taught (in first grade!)  that being black was a curse of God. We were never taught ethics outside of religion. We were taught halacha and everything else but we were not taught as humans what is wrong and right. We were brainwashed and fooled into being a good frum Jew but not a good person. Recently I asked a big famous Rosh Yeshiva if God wants us to be good humans or good Jews (if we had to choose 1 of the 2) and he replied God want us to be good Jews.

choosing between being a good Jew or a good person even if only theoretical makes no sense and has no bearing on the above story. If one believes that being a good a good person is being a good jew then he is defining a good person as one who follows Judaism. What  I suspect that rabbi meant, was that if we had to choose between what the world considers a good person (eg: on who embraces same sex marriage , or egalitarianism) or being a good jew then he would choose being a good jew. Your lack of understanding of chazal or pesukim in the Torah has no relevance to the story.

[sky121]

choosing between being a good Jew or a good person even if only theoretical makes no sense and has no bearing on the above story. If one believes that being a good a good person is being a good jew then he is defining a good person as one who follows Judaism. What  I suspect that rabbi meant, was that if we had to choose between what the world considers a good person (eg: on who embraces same sex marriage , or egalitarianism) or being a good jew then he would choose being a good jew. Your lack of understanding of chazal or pesukim in the Torah has no relevance to the story.

The world doesn't consider someone who embraces same sex marriage as a good person. The world considers a good person as someone who treats everyone with respect even someone you may not agree with.

[A3]

Hmmm so anyone of them on the forums....

[ah]

Meanwhile this guy gets off scot free and will probably just keep doing this.

so if I'm understanding correctly IHG replaced the points not "Dovid"? Do they not care to go after the guy?
If he books over the phone, have you tried this to see what information they actually require over the phone? could be he says he doesn't have the number off hand can they look up the account with other info

[kracked dude]

Wow! Just wow.

[Freddie]

Hmmm so anyone of them on the forums....

Of course. They are reading right now.

[moko]

The world doesn't consider someone who embraces same sex marriage as a good person. The world considers a good person as someone who treats everyone with respect even someone you may not agree with.

wrong. If you listen to public radio or talk shows in general you will hear that it's virtuous to embrace those that live that lifestyle and not just accept them as humans but rather people with a legitimate lifestyle.

[EMCC]

choosing between being a good Jew or a good person even if only theoretical makes no sense and has no bearing on the above story. If one believes that being a good a good person is being a good jew then he is defining a good person as one who follows Judaism. What  I suspect that rabbi meant, was that if we had to choose between what the world considers a good person (eg: on who embraces same sex marriage , or egalitarianism) or being a good jew then he would choose being a good jew. Your lack of understanding of chazal or pesukim in the Torah has no relevance to the story.

I also gave him an example of acting like a crazy human but to be frum or acting normal and civilized but not frum.

[ah]

Of course. They are reading right now.

+1 although I hope that through their email address they were able to be banned (even though they can still come back after a ban)

[sky121]

wrong. If you listen to public radio or talk shows in general you will hear that it's virtuous to embrace those that live that lifestyle and not just accept them as humans but rather people with a legitimate lifestyle.

Of course we should accept them. I can vote how I want, and believe what I want but at the end of the day you accept people and respect that and love them regardless.