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Some of you are unbelievable. All the post does is encourage you to be careful with your personal information, to think hard about the type of schemes you are getting yourself into and to excersize caution and discretion with credit/financial decisions. So the only people whose parnassah is getting screwed by this are those that are relying on duping others to some extent.

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Author Topic: PSA - Stay Away From The Card Signup Farms Who Offer $5000 In One Month  (Read 301270 times)

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1000 on: July 07, 2016, 01:18:27 AM »
And to those who try to make the case that everyone ranting here is just "jealous" is the same jerk as MasterAmex is.

Hello? Why am I not allowed to rant when my friend was messed up? Why is it called jealous?
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1001 on: July 07, 2016, 01:20:02 AM »
Whoever has problems with the Lakewood part should do what they have to do...  Not just try to cover up and ask to have Lakewood removed.  All of these companies I know of are located in Lakewood. So be it. I know it's  shame.  The עיר התורה.
Though to be fair, there are definitely farms that are not located there...
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1002 on: July 07, 2016, 10:36:21 AM »
Whoever has problems with the Lakewood part should do what they have to do...  Not just try to cover up and ask to have Lakewood removed.  All of these companies I know of are located in Lakewood. So be it. I know it's  shame.  The עיר התורה.
What do they have to do? How many do you know of?
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1003 on: July 07, 2016, 11:00:58 AM »
Go to local Rabbi's and have them stop these people.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1004 on: July 07, 2016, 11:12:29 AM »
Go to local Rabbi's and have them stop these people.
if i remember correctly about a year the rabbis put out a letter against these people and it was hung up in bmg...

update http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2014/07/rabbonim-lakewood-poskim-sign-letter-in.html

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43147.0;topicseen
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1005 on: July 07, 2016, 01:22:58 PM »
He shouldn't have attempted to deal with FR by himself. I wouldn't call this a prime example of people they screwed over.
he shouldent what? most ppl doing this have no clue about FR or anything about amex and cc, he got a call and was lost, he did say he will call back but the FR rep told him he just wants to ask him 2 small questions about his business, the first question was whats his business he said im sorry i cant talk right now will call u back the FR rep asked him u cant just answer me whats your business name and what your business is doing why do u have to call me back.... and the rest is history
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1006 on: July 07, 2016, 01:25:18 PM »
he shouldent what? most ppl doing this have no clue about FR or anything about amex and cc, he got a call and was lost, he did say he will call back but the FR rep told him he just wants to ask him 2 small questions about his business, the first question was whats his business he said im sorry i cant talk right now will call u back the FR rep asked him u cant just answer me whats your business name and what your business name is doing why do u have to call me back.... and the rest is history
You're right. It's the agencies fault for putting this guy's number as the contact number. They should've put their own.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1007 on: July 07, 2016, 01:36:41 PM »
You're right. It's the agencies fault for putting this guy's number as the contact number. They should've put their own.
i guess they cant put their own number on all apps, cause the FR dep will see that they are calling the same number all day.... ;)
Do u have any different idea for a signature?

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1008 on: July 07, 2016, 01:42:23 PM »
i guess they cant put their own number on all apps, cause the FR dep will see that they are calling the same number all day.... ;)
Numbers are cheaper by the dozen.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1009 on: July 07, 2016, 01:55:34 PM »
Go to local Rabbi's and have them stop these people.
According to @MasterAmex the rabonim are
1) jealous
2) don't know how business works
3) confused between right and wrong

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1010 on: July 07, 2016, 04:24:09 PM »
According to @MasterAmex the rabonim are
1) jealous
2) don't know how business works
3) confused between right and wrong
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1011 on: July 07, 2016, 04:30:18 PM »
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??
you sound like you own or are involved in such a business

1-most people on this forum would not fall into these trap
2-anyone in this forum who actually fell into this trap would be very imbarressed about it
3-this is not called "inflating ads" rather this is called preying on the naive and proof to that is that anyone that realy knows what goes on in these "companies" would not have a 1% chance of signing up!
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1012 on: July 07, 2016, 04:31:07 PM »
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??

No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given 
Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1013 on: July 07, 2016, 04:47:47 PM »
No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given
A and B do not seem to be legitimate grievances to call these people scamming the people signing up (besides for the fact that many people here do it on a smaller scale). They are scamming the CC company, not their "customers".

C is a legitimate grievance.

 I would also add:

D) The people they are signing up are not being informed of the potential risks involved in what can arguably be called fraud, and the potential liabilities.

In addition, there seem to have been some cases of mess ups when the charges weren't "paid"  and the cardholders were sent a bill for the balance.


I do think that some think this is a "scam" because the people they are signing up can do this themselves and make much more money. That seems to be what is being hotly contested that they never would've touched this in their lives and made a penny off this, like 99% of the population.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1014 on: July 07, 2016, 04:48:21 PM »
No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given
is that true? I still think people would have an issue
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1015 on: July 07, 2016, 04:51:10 PM »
is that true? I still think people would have an issue
Why?

No one comes out against someone just because of jealousy.

 

Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1016 on: July 07, 2016, 04:52:45 PM »
Why?

No one comes out against someone just because of jealousy.

 


Maybe the anti's think that this whole farming of the deals, will make the banks crack down, and somehow kill, or patially kill the goose.
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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1017 on: July 07, 2016, 04:54:05 PM »
A and B do not seem to be legitimate grievances to call these people scamming the people signing up (besides for the fact that many people here do it on a smaller scale). They are scamming the CC company, not their "customers".

C is a legitimate grievance.

 I would also add:

D) The people they are signing up are not being informed of the potential risks involved in what can arguably be called fraud, and the potential liabilities.

In addition, there seem to have been some cases of mess ups when the charges weren't "paid"  and the cardholders were sent a bill for the balance.


I do think that some think this is a "scam" because the people they are signing up can do this themselves and make much more money. That seems to be what is being hotly contested that they never would've touched this in their lives and made a penny off this, like 99% of the population.
Agree but.. I think that 1 and 2 are included in your D
Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1018 on: July 07, 2016, 04:56:27 PM »
Maybe the anti's think that this whole farming of the deals, will make the banks crack down, and somehow kill, or patially kill the goose.
To those people I say grow up.

I work in the prepaid business and there are people that abuse the spiff system. I would never do it because I dont think its honest way of life. Am I upset that they are making more money? Not in the least bit.
Are the company's cracking down on us; sure they are but that is life!

If Hashem would want me to make the money he would send it to me in another way. I see this day in and out.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2016, 05:00:01 PM by yakov116 »
Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
« Reply #1019 on: July 07, 2016, 05:03:07 PM »
To those people I say grow up.

I work in the prepaid business and there are people that abuse the spiff system. I would never do it because I dont think its honest way of life. Am I upset that they are making more money? Not in the least bit.
Are the company's cracking down on us; sure they are but that is life!

If Hashem would want me to make the money he would send it to me in another way. I see this day in and out.
What's the prepaid business?