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DD Trip Notes:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/16322 (2011)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/26692 (2012)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/49206 (2014)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/61082 (2015)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/72957 (2015)

Trip Reports:
@Yehuda's 1st trip to Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=63986.0
@Yehuda Miami Weekend Getaway at SRBH https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=100169.0
@Alexsei Surfside 2018 https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1896122#msg1896122
@Alexsei Surfside/Bay Harbor 2019 https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg2055841#msg2055841
@jj1000 ideal foodie oriented day in Miami based on what I've had/done so far https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1387809;topicseen#msg1387809
@BOOKY trip report for Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1062268;topicseen#msg1062268
@jack Short trip report https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg745120;topicseen#msg745120
@Chachem Balaileh South Florida mini trip report https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg726747;topicseen#msg726747
@dealfinder85 somewhat of a TR https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1059208#msg1059208
@JayR 3 Days In Florida https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=50450.msg1088383#msg1088383
@AJK Labor Day Hop https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=55342.0
@twentie4hrs Miami Beach for a Relaxing 4 days (Including Shabbos) https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59239.0
@srulky Mini TR for quick 3 day/2 night Jaunt down to Ft. Lauderdale/Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1354473#msg1354473
@Adam101 Chanukka '15 trip MIA & BNA https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59271.0
@mgoldhammer18 A different kind of trip to Miami beach https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=61518.0
@shnoz Quick TR from N Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg790875;topicseen#msg790875
@Amusch low-key low-cost trip https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1413855;topicseen#msg1413855
@joe999 4 Days in Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1201938#msg1201938
@mochjas Saturday Night @Meat Bar (Surfside) Sunday Night at SOHO https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg2184097#msg2184097

Hotels

41st and Collins Area
Four Points (Shabbos friendly)
Lexington
Courtyard by Marriott
Holiday Inn
Grand Beach
Best Western Atlantic Beach Resort
Fontainebleau
Eden Roc
Alexander
Confidante (Hyatt)

Bal Harbour/Surfside/Bay harbor - Walking Distance To Shul
hotels in walking distance to shul:

Surfside:
Residence Inn by Marriott $$ (confirmed shabbos friendly)
Four Seasons $$$ Ocean front hotel
Sun Harbour Boutique Hotel $$
Grand Beach Surfside $$ Ocean front hotel
Grand Beach Surfside West $$

Bal Harbour:
St Regis $$$ Ocean front hotel
Ritz Carlton $$$ Ocean front hotel
Bal Harbour Quarzo $$ inter-coastal front hotel
Sea View $$ Ocean front hotel

Bay Harbour:
Grand beach Bay Harbour $$ inter-coastal front hotel
TRYP by Wyhndam $
The Landon $

Aventura
Turnberry Isle Resort (Marriott)

Hollywood
Westin Diplomat Resort and Spa (Leaving SPG 10/30/14)


Fort Lauderdale
Westin Fort Lauderdale Beach Resort and Spa
W Fort Lauderdale
Hyatt Place
Hyatt House

Boca
Waldorf Astoria
Boca Hilton Suites


Rent a villa/apartment
horarentals.com
floridakoshervilla.com
northmiamirental.com
northmiamivilla.com
lxure.com
reservekosher.com
flamingokosher.com
motelchai.com


 
Miami Kosher Restaurants 

map with kosher restaurants under Kosher Miami
http://koshermiami.org/
41st and Collins Area
Name                               Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotes
Miami Beachís Chocolate Dairy  $$$                                                          
Lennyís Pizza                      Dairy      $      Yes                                             Multipule Locations   
Asiís Grill (CLOSED)                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Carlos & Gabby's                      Meat      $      Yes                                                     
Grill House                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
MONTEFIORE CAFE              Dairy      ??      Yes                                               
17 Restaurant & Sushi Bar        Dairy      $$$                                                  
Tasti Cafe              Dairy Not CY      ??      Yes                                               
Bagel Time              Dairy      $      Yes                                             off 41st street, on Alton Rd. 
Florida Grill                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Kikar Tel Aviv                      Meat      ??           ??                                          Shabbos Meals



Bal Harbor / Surfside / Bay Harbor
Name                               Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Cine Cite Cafe Dairy  $$YesClick HereCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelOKUberEats
Foozo Artisan Pizza Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelKMChowNow
Cafe Vert              Dairy   $$Yes Click HereCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelOKEat24
Rustiko Dairy  $$Could Work Click Here   KMChowNow
26 Sushi& Tapas        Dairy   $$$YesClick Here   KMUberEats
Serendipity Yogurt Cafe    Dairy  $YesClick Here    KMUberEats
Yossi's Out Of Home Pizza Dairy  $YesClick HereCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelTheShulCall/WA (786) 352-1913
Rachel's Baked Goods & Dips Parve  $YesClick HereFree Delivery??Call/Text (786) 447-9809
Harbor Grill                      Meat   $$$No                                   KM??
Harbor Bistro                      Meat   $$$NoClick Here    KMEat24 pickup Only
Kosh                  Meat   $$$NoClick Here    KM??
Chai Wok                  Meat   $$YesClick Here    KMUberEats/GrubHub/ChowNow/Eat24
The Backyard BBQ & Brew                      Meat   $$$Yes Click Here   KM??
The Carrot                      Meat   $$??                                  KMUberEats/GrubHub/Eat24
King David Cuisine Meat ??Yes                                 KM
Meat Bar (Bay Harbor) (New 2019) Meat ????                                 KMUberEats
Street Kitchen (New 2019) Meat ????                                 KM??
Surf-n-sides Meat $$                                 MDKComing Soon
Rolling Pin Bakery              Parve   $Yes                                  StarK??
Kosherland+Maven baker Grocery bakery and deli??Yes                               Shabbos Packages+Free Hot PlateKMDeli Has online ordering
Newtime Catering Meat   ????                               Takeout/Shabbos MealsKM
Miami Beach Chocolates Surfside Parve/dairy $$??KM
BON Chocolatier Bay Harbor Parve $$??Click HereVegan Chocolate BoutiqueKMPickUp Only

Shabbos Meals in Bal Harbour/Surfside
  • Kosher Kingdom Takeout (15 drive)
  • KosherLand Takeout (was bought by The Grove and now has a massive shabbos selection as well as prepared foods all week long. no more hot plates as far as I know. jj)
  • Esti Englander - Pickup in NMB (305) 502-4611
  • Backyard BBQ Friday Night Meal Service
  • Kosh Friday Night Meal Service
  • Meat Bar (Bay harbor) Friday Night Meal Service
  • For Shabbat day people usually eat in the SHUL

Shabbos Friendly Hotels in Bal Harbour/Surfside
  • Residence Inn Surfside

Aventura/North Miami Beach/Sunny Isles
Name Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Fresko Dairy     $$$                                                          
China Bistro                      Meat      $$$              No                                             
Dixie BBQ    Meat     $      Yes                                               
Foozo    Dairy     $      Yes                                               
Fuego                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Grill Time                        Meat      ??      Yes                                                     
Mozart Grill                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Holy Bagel              Parve/Dairy      ??      Yes                                               
Soho Asian Grill        Meat      ??                                                  
Mozart Cafe              Dairy      $$      Yes                                               
The Frieze              Dairy Not CY      ??      Yes                                               
Vgan    Vegan     $$                                                     
Grand Cafe              Dairy Not CY      ??      Yes                                             Stirling Road- Hollywood, Israeli breakfast joint 


Boca Raton
Name StylePrice    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Mozart CafeDairy. 4/5$$??     Nice outdoor area tooORB??
Jon's Place (pizza)Dairy$Yes     ---??
Pita N GoDairy 4.5/5????     They currently have a unreliable hechsher according to R Goldberg of BRS/ORB????
BOCA BAGEL FACTORY CAFEDairy 4/5????     ORB??
MenchiesDairy 5/5????Incredible non C'Y frozen yogurt????
AsiaMeat. 4/5$$??     ORB??
Boca GrillMeat????     ORB??
Century GrillMeat 4/5????     ORB??
Orchid's Garden ChineseMeat 4/5????     ????
Butcher Block GrillMeat 4/5$$$??     ORB??
Ditmas Kitchen BocaMeat&Sushi????     ORB??

Butcher Block Grill, Asia, and Mozart are adjacent to each other at the Fountains Center at Camino Real.

Hollywood
Name                               Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Mozart Cafe (open till 2 AM), Kid Friendly, $$.
Levy's, Kid Friendly, $$.
L'chaim Asian Cuisine & Steakhouse, Kid Friendly, $.
Sara's Pizza
Grand Cafe (not CY)
Pita Plus


Lauderhill/Coral Springs
Milky Cafe - 4579 N Pine Island Rd, Lauderhill 33351 (At 44th St)
(954) 533-5325

Sunrise Pita - 2680 N University Dr, Sunrise, FL 33322
(954) 748-0090


Fort Lauderdale
Cafe Emunah (next door to chabad)



Supermarkets

41st and Collins Area
Kastner's Market
Kosher Price Market. 460 West 41st St. (305) 763-8524

Bal Harbour/Surfside
Kosher land
Publix (regular big supermarket - Some Kosher items are available)


Aventura
Sara's Tent -Aventura
Kosher Kingdom - Aventura
Winn Dixie - 20417 Biscayne Blvd, Aventura


Hollywood


Fort Lauderdale


Boca
Kosher Marketplace , with full take out
22191 North Powerline Road, (561) 391-3318
Winn-Dixie (Kosher take-out, bakery,meat,fish,pizza, large kosher section)
7024 Beracasa Way, (561) 368-5442

Delray Beach
Glick's Kosher Market, with full take out - now under ORB
7351 W. Atlantic Avenue, (561) 637-5771


Things to do
Vizcaya Museum and Gardens
Miami Zoo
Seaquarium
Jungle Island
Lincoln Road Mall
Bal Harbour Shops
Aventura Mall
Sawgrass Mills outlets - Ft. Lauderdale
Lion Country Safari
rent bikes
watersports
Gulfstream
Hard Rock Hotel & Casino
Segway
Kayak or canoe
Hanglidng
Scuba diving by the keys

JJ1000's list of top restaurants and dishes in Miami:

1. Backyard BBQ (New chef in mid 2017 totally new menu): Burnt ends, 2nd cut brisket, Dinosaur Rib, BBQ Sundae, BBQ Burger.

2. 26: Sushi pizza is  a must I prefer it with baked salmon, then the Passion Mojito, Sushi Teriyaki tempuraed, Cilantro Aioli dip and truffle fires, all of their soups are good. Miso Bass is incredible as well.

3. Harbour Bistro, new menus in early 2018: Chicken and waffles just perfect, duck a l'orange pot stickers, millionaire ramen, lamb shank, charcuterie platter if that's your thing... Also serving brunch, Chicken and waffles again, eggs Benedict with bacon on top,

4. Fuego: Flatbreads are a must, then the back ribs, pastrami egg rolls, smores dessert, perfect date drink are good. (Update March 2017, the app chef and bbq chef isn't there anymore and the quality has been spotty from recent reviews.)

5. Zak The Baker. Menu changes too often to recommend stuff. Not Cholov Yisroel.

6. Kosh: Chocolate souffle and korean beef with extra sauce are good.

7. Rustiko: Spinach and Artichoke Dip, (Quinoa Salad is very good), (Pappardelle Mushroom if lunch), Mushrooms Panzerotti is an absolute must order only down side is it's a dinner only item. Oreo cheescake dessert but make sure it's fresh.

8. Harbour Grill: The Harbour Grill Filet or TheKing Reserve steaks are great. Supreme Burger is very good as well.

9. Pizza type options:

Foozo: Foozolis, the caprese foozoli with extra balsamic sauce and garlic aoili, their pastas are good as well.

Jerusalem Pizza: Best plain pie, get it fresh in store, coated fries good as well.

Lenny's pizza: Gan Eden Pie.

Also notable unique places are The Freeze which makes ices, serendipity makes ice cream (there is one next door to ZTB now), and Miami Beach Chocolates turtles and bark now also in Surfside!

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #10515 on: May 22, 2020, 07:45:14 AM »
ZTB starting cholov yisroel runs again.
212 degree kashering? Some people on this group would require that.

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« Reply #10516 on: May 22, 2020, 09:04:04 AM »
212 degree kashering? Some people on this group would require that.
Unless he gets a more accepted hashgacha, it'll likely still be a problem for many CY keepers.
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« Reply #10517 on: May 22, 2020, 11:10:53 AM »
Orlando....


Wondering Miami
Or is Miami too humid in the summer.
Hurricane season is June through November.  More hurricanes than usual predicted for this year, though you usually get a few days advance notice.
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« Reply #10518 on: May 24, 2020, 09:13:31 AM »
212 degree kashering? Some people on this group would require that.
He said he will kasher

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« Reply #10519 on: May 24, 2020, 09:21:36 AM »
Is there any point in Kashering if 24h pass?
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« Reply #10520 on: May 27, 2020, 01:25:34 PM »
Is there any point in Kashering if 24h pass?
Are you allowed to kasher if they don't?

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #10522 on: June 03, 2020, 09:30:04 AM »
Are you allowed to kasher if they don't?
Good point.

My understanding is that except for דבר חריף, Kashering of utensils has no impact on the kashrus of food. It's a separate chiyuv on the owner of the utensils, which wouldn't apply in Cholov Stam scenario.  So I wonder if
He said he will kasher


Has any halachic value or is simply a lack of knoweldge.

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« Reply #10523 on: June 03, 2020, 10:05:53 AM »
Are you allowed to kasher if they don't?
Yes, just need water to be 60x surface, to the extent that's feasible with machinery
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« Reply #10524 on: June 03, 2020, 10:20:41 AM »


Good point.

My understanding is that except for דבר חריף, Kashering of utensils has no impact on the kashrus of food. It's a separate chiyuv on the owner of the utensils, which wouldn't apply in Cholov Stam scenario.  So I wonder if 

Has any halachic value or is simply a lack of knoweldge.

Bidieved, you're correct. Lechatchilla, you can't cook kosher on trief utensils, especially ashkenazim.

Now, whether Chalav Stam renders Keilim non kosher is a debate, but according to Minhag Chabad, it does.


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« Reply #10525 on: June 03, 2020, 10:33:37 AM »

Bidieved, you're correct. Lechatchilla, you can't cook kosher on trief utensils, especially ashkenazim.
I believe that's only true if you own the utensils, as you are obligated to Kasher. As far as I know, it is perfectly lechatchilla to ask a non Jew (or Jew who believes they are kosher) to cook using his treif utensils if the 24h passed and it isn't דבר חריף, just like you can use a non-Jews untoveled utensils lechtachilla.

ETA, I was mistaken. That is only according to the Rishoonim that there is a separate mitzvah of Hagaala and we don't pasken that way.
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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #10526 on: June 03, 2020, 11:01:16 AM »
I am still skeptical if even according the opinions that איסור דרבנן needs Hagaala, which I believe is a Machlokes ט״ז וב״ח and the basis for the Chabad minhag, it would apply after 24h which is גזירה שאינו בן יומו אטו בין יומו, as that would be גזירה לגזירה.

Regardless, buying from ZTB would be considered Bedived according to Rama in קכ״ב, and I am not sure if there is any point to be machmir here since there is no problem with the food and it is only a Gezeira about proactively cooking or instructing somebody to cook.

סעיף ו[עריכה]
סתם כלי עובד כוכבים הם בחזקת שאינם בני יומן לפיכך אם עבר ונשתמש בהם קודם הכשר התבשיל מותר:

הגה: אבל אם חמם מים בכלי של עובד כוכבים ללוש בהן פת אסור ללוש באותן מים דלדבר זה מקרי לכתחלה הואיל ועדיין לא התחיל הנאתו שלא הוחמו לשתיה (ש"ד והגהותיו) אבל דבר שנעשה בשבילו ולא בשביל דבר אחר אע"פ שהוא של עובד כוכבים וישראל קונה ממנו לכתחלה מותר דמאחר דכבר נעשה ביד עובד כוכבים מקרי דיעבד
אף על פי כן אסור לומר לעובד כוכבים בשל לי ירקות בקדרתך וכן לא יאמר לו עשה לי מרקחת שכל האומר בשל לי הרי הוא כאלו בישל בידיו ואפשר שעל ידי הרקחים (או שאר אומנים) מותר שכל האומנים מיחדים כלים נקיים למלאכתם כדי שלא יפגמו אומנתם ובעל נפש יחוש שדברים אלו מביאים לידי טהרה ונקיות:

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #10527 on: June 03, 2020, 12:44:38 PM »
Either way, I remember making an emergency trip to MIA when ZTB announced he wasnt going to be CY anymore. I wasnt so impressed. Now that you have Brooklyn Artisian Bakehouse and Patis as well in the NYC metro area it devalues ZTB as well.  Also it is really far from the main areas if you want for when you are in South Florida.

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #10528 on: June 03, 2020, 05:21:41 PM »
I am still skeptical if even according the opinions that איסור דרבנן needs Hagaala, which I believe is a Machlokes ט״ז וב״ח and the basis for the Chabad minhag, it would apply after 24h which is גזירה שאינו בן יומו אטו בין יומו, as that would be גזירה לגזירה.

Regardless, buying from ZTB would be considered Bedived according to Rama in קכ״ב, and I am not sure if there is any point to be machmir here since there is no problem with the food and it is only a Gezeira about proactively cooking or instructing somebody to cook.

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סתם כלי עובד כוכבים הם בחזקת שאינם בני יומן לפיכך אם עבר ונשתמש בהם קודם הכשר התבשיל מותר:

הגה: אבל אם חמם מים בכלי של עובד כוכבים ללוש בהן פת אסור ללוש באותן מים דלדבר זה מקרי לכתחלה הואיל ועדיין לא התחיל הנאתו שלא הוחמו לשתיה (ש"ד והגהותיו) אבל דבר שנעשה בשבילו ולא בשביל דבר אחר אע"פ שהוא של עובד כוכבים וישראל קונה ממנו לכתחלה מותר דמאחר דכבר נעשה ביד עובד כוכבים מקרי דיעבד
אף על פי כן אסור לומר לעובד כוכבים בשל לי ירקות בקדרתך וכן לא יאמר לו עשה לי מרקחת שכל האומר בשל לי הרי הוא כאלו בישל בידיו ואפשר שעל ידי הרקחים (או שאר אומנים) מותר שכל האומנים מיחדים כלים נקיים למלאכתם כדי שלא יפגמו אומנתם ובעל נפש יחוש שדברים אלו מביאים לידי טהרה ונקיות:

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Why are you assuming that the utensils at ZTB are not ben yomo?
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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #10529 on: June 04, 2020, 09:24:35 AM »
Why are you assuming that the utensils at ZTB are not ben yomo?
Was waiting for your input  :)

I was assuming there is no effective way to Kasher a commercial kitchen without 24h passing. I believe this is a major problem for kashrus in factory runs.
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