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South Florida Kosher Restaurant and Attraction Map (HT: Yaalili).

DD Trip Notes:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/16322 (2011)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/26692 (2012)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/49206 (2014)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/61082 (2015)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/72957 (2015)
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/trip-notes/trip-notes-miami-foodies-delight-finally-cracking-sunpass-tolls (2021)
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/trip-notes/trip-notes-miami-2023-great-food-awesome-cholov-yisroel-chocolate-workshop-weekend-fun/ (2023)

Trip Reports:
@Yehuda's 1st trip to Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=63986.0
@Yehuda Miami Weekend Getaway at SRBH https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=100169.0
@Alexsei Surfside 2018 https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1896122#msg1896122
@Alexsei Surfside/Bay Harbor 2019 https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg2055841#msg2055841
@jj1000 ideal foodie oriented day in Miami based on what I've had/done so far https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1387809;topicseen#msg1387809
@BOOKY trip report for Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1062268;topicseen#msg1062268
@jack Short trip report https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg745120;topicseen#msg745120
@Chachem Balaileh South Florida mini trip report https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg726747;topicseen#msg726747
@dealfinder85 somewhat of a TR https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1059208#msg1059208
@JayR 3 Days In Florida https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=50450.msg1088383#msg1088383
@AJK Labor Day Hop https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=55342.0
@twentie4hrs Miami Beach for a Relaxing 4 days (Including Shabbos) https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59239.0
@srulky Mini TR for quick 3 day/2 night Jaunt down to Ft. Lauderdale/Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1354473#msg1354473
@Adam101 Chanukka '15 trip MIA & BNA https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59271.0
@mgoldhammer18 A different kind of trip to Miami beach https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=61518.0
@shnoz Quick TR from N Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg790875;topicseen#msg790875
@Amusch low-key low-cost trip https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1413855;topicseen#msg1413855
@joe999 4 Days in Miami https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1201938#msg1201938
@mochjas Saturday Night @Meat Bar (Surfside) Sunday Night at SOHO https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg2184097#msg2184097

Hotels

41st and Collins Area
Four Points (Shabbos friendly)
Lexington
Courtyard by Marriott
Holiday Inn
Grand Beach
Best Western Atlantic Beach Resort
Fontainebleau
Eden Roc
Alexander
Confidante (Hyatt)
The Cadillac (Marriott)

Bal Harbour/Surfside/Bay harbor - Walking Distance To Shul
hotels in walking distance to shul:

Surfside:
Residence Inn by Marriott $$ (confirmed shabbos friendly)
Four Seasons $$$ Ocean front hotel
Sun Harbour Boutique Hotel $$
Grand Beach Surfside $$ Ocean front hotel
Grand Beach Surfside West $$

Bal Harbour:
St Regis $$$ Ocean front hotel
Ritz Carlton $$$ Ocean front hotel
Bal Harbour Quarzo $$ inter-coastal front hotel
Sea View $$ Ocean front hotel

Bay Harbour:
Grand beach Bay Harbour $$ inter-coastal front hotel
TRYP by Wyhndam $ CLOSED
The Landon $
The Altair(kosher)

Aventura
Turnberry Isle Resort (Marriott)

Hollywood
Westin Diplomat Resort and Spa (Leaving SPG 10/30/14)


Fort Lauderdale
Westin Fort Lauderdale Beach Resort and Spa
W Fort Lauderdale
Hyatt Place
Hyatt House

Boca
Waldorf Astoria
Boca Hilton Suites


Rent a villa/apartment
horarentals.com
floridakoshervillas.com
northmiamirental.com
northmiamivilla.com
lxure.com
reservekosher.com
flamingokosher.com
motelchai.com


 
Miami Kosher Restaurants 

map with kosher restaurants under Kosher Miami
http://koshermiami.org/
41st and Collins Area
Name                               Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotes
Miami Beach’s Chocolate Dairy  $$$                                    CLOSED. They opened on Harding
Lenny’s Pizza                      Dairy      $      Yes                                             Multipule Locations   
Asi’s Grill (CLOSED)                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Carlos & Gabby's                      Meat      $      Yes                                                     
Grill House                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
MONTEFIORE CAFE              Dairy      ??      Yes                                               
17 Restaurant & Sushi Bar        Dairy      $$$                                                  
Tasti Cafe              Dairy Not CY      ??      Yes                                               
Bagel Time              Dairy      $      Yes                                             off 41st street, on Alton Rd. 
Florida Grill                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Kikar Tel Aviv                      Meat      ??           ??                                          Shabbos Meals



Bal Harbor / Surfside / Bay Harbor
Name                               Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Cine Cite Cafe Dairy  $$YesClick HereCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelOKUberEats
Foozo Artisan Pizza Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelKMChowNow
Cafe Vert              Dairy   $$Yes Click HereCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelOKEat24
Rustiko Dairy  $$Yes Click Here   KMChowNow
26 Sushi& Tapas        Dairy   $$$YesClick Here   KMUberEats
Serendipity Yogurt Cafe    Dairy  $YesClick Here    KMUberEats
Yossi's Out Of Home Pizza Dairy  $YesClick HereCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelTheShulCall/WA (786) 352-1913
Rachel's Baked Goods & Dips Parve  $YesClick HereFree Delivery??Call/Text (786) 447-9809
Harbor Grill                      Meat   $$$No                                   KM??
Harbor Bistro                      Meat   $$$NoClick Here    KMEat24 pickup Only
Kosh                  Meat   $$$NoClick Here    KM??
Chai Wok                  Meat   $$YesClick Here    KMUberEats/GrubHub/ChowNow/Eat24
The Backyard BBQ & Brew                      Meat   $$$Yes Click Here   KMUberEats
The Carrot                      Meat   $$??                                  KMUberEats/GrubHub/Eat24
King David Cuisine Meat ??Yes                                 KM
Meat Bar (Bay Harbor) (New 2019) Meat ????                                 KMUberEats
Street Kitchen (New 2019) Meat ????                                 KM??
Surf-n-sides Meat $$                                 MDKComing Soon
pokado Take out & Delivery Only (New 2021) Meat/sushi $Yes                                 KMAll
So Heavenly Take out & Delivery Only Meat/shabbos $Yes                                 KMAll
Rolling Pin Bakery              Parve   $Yes                                  StarK??
Kosherland+Maven baker Grocery bakery and deli??Yes                               Shabbos Packages+Free Hot PlateKMDeli Has online ordering
Newtime Catering Meat   ????                               Takeout/Shabbos MealsKM
Miami Beach Chocolates Surfside Parve/dairy $$??KM
BON Chocolatier Bay Harbor Parve $$??Click HereVegan Chocolate BoutiqueKMPickUp Only

Shabbos Meals in Bal Harbour/Surfside
  • Kosher Kingdom Takeout (15 drive)
  • KosherLand Takeout (was bought by The Grove and now has a massive shabbos selection as well as prepared foods all week long. no more hot plates as far as I know. jj)
  • Esti Englander - Pickup in NMB (305) 502-4611
  • Fromowitz 347-680-1099
  • Backyard BBQ Friday Night and Shabbas Day Meal Service
  • Kosh Friday Night Meal Service
  • Meat Bar (Bay harbor) Friday Night and Shabbas Day Meal Service
  • OVO at Altair (Bay harbor) Friday Night and Shabbas Day Meal Service
  • For Shabbat day people usually eat in the SHUL

Shabbos Friendly Hotels in Bal Harbour/Surfside
  • Residence Inn Surfside

COVID Testing

Aventura/North Miami Beach/Sunny Isles
Name Style   Price    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Fresko Dairy     $$$                                                          
China Bistro                      Meat      $$$              No                                             
Dixie BBQ    Meat     $      Yes                                               
Foozo    Dairy     $      Yes                                               
Fuego                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Grill Time                        Meat      ??      Yes                                                     
Mozart Grill                      Meat      ??           ??                                           
Holy Bagel              Parve/Dairy      ??      Yes                                               
Soho Asian Grill        Meat      ??                                                  
Mozart Cafe              Dairy      $$      Yes                                               
The Frieze              Dairy Not CY      ??      Yes                                               
Vgan    Vegan     $$                                                     
Grand Cafe              Dairy Not CY      ??      Yes                                             Stirling Road- Hollywood, Israeli breakfast joint 


Boca Raton
Name StylePrice    Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Mozart CafeDairy. 4/5$$??     Nice outdoor area tooORB??
Jon's Place (pizza)Dairy$Yes     ---??
Pita N GoDairy 4.5/5????     They currently have a unreliable hechsher according to R Goldberg of BRS/ORB????
BOCA BAGEL FACTORY CAFEDairy 4/5????     ORB??
MenchiesDairy 5/5????Incredible non C'Y frozen yogurt????
AsiaMeat. 4/5$$??     ORB??
Boca GrillMeat????     ORB??
Century GrillMeat 4/5????     ORB??
Orchid's Garden ChineseMeat 4/5????     ????
Butcher Block GrillMeat 4/5$$$??     ORB??
Ditmas Kitchen BocaMeat&Sushi????     ORB??

Butcher Block Grill, Asia, and Mozart are adjacent to each other at the Fountains Center at Camino Real.
Update Jan 2021: all 3 establishments above closed. They are being replaced by a new set. Carmela’s (dairy) rave pizza (not open yet) roadshow (meat) Eden wok (Chinese, not open yet) oak & ember (steakhouse, not open yet)

Great website for all things kosher in Boca - https://www.kosherbocaraton.org/

Hollywood
Name                              Style   Price   Kid Friendly?RecommendationsNotesCertificationOnline Ordering
Cafe Noir (open till 2 AM) Dairy  $$YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBhttps://www.kosher24.net/
Cafe 56 Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBNo
Toast Avenue Cafe Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBDoorDash
Yum Berry Cafe & Sushi Bar Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBNo
Sara's Pizza Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORB?
Lenny's Pizza Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBSliceLife
Mizrachi's Pizza Kitchen Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBChowNow
Ariels Delicious Pizza Dairy  $YesCholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORB?
Grand Cafe Espresso Bar Dairy  $Yes NOT Cholov Yisroel / Pas YisroelORBChowNow
HBK Burger Meat $$?? Glatt Kosher, Pas Yisroel ORBOn Website
China Bistro & Sushi Meat $$?? Pas Yisroel ORBMany
Hummus Factory Meat $$?? Pas Yisroel ORBMany
Nava's Kosher Kitchen & Restaurant Meat $$?? Pas Yisroel? ORB?
Pita Star Meat $$?? Pas Yisroel ORB?
Pita Express Meat $$?? Pas Yisroel? ORB?
JZ Steakhouse Meat $$$?? Glatt Kosher, Pas Yisroel ORB?
Pita Plus Meat $$?? Pas Yisroel? ??


Lauderhill

Sunrise Pita - 2680 N University Dr, Sunrise, FL 33322
(954) 748-0090


Fort Lauderdale
PX Grill (next door to chabad)



Supermarkets

41st and Collins Area
Kastner's Market
Kosher Price Market - 460 West 41st St. (305) 763-8524
YES Market

Bal Harbour/Surfside
Kosher land
Publix (regular big supermarket - Some Kosher items are available)


Aventura
Sara's Tent -Aventura
Kosher Kingdom - Aventura
Winn Dixie - 20417 Biscayne Blvd, Aventura

Hollywood
Kosher Central
Aroma Market
Grove - Hollywood
Sylvia's


Coral Springs/Parkland
Fooderie - 5651 Coral Ridge Drive, 954-752-0008


Boca
Grove - Boca
Kosher Marketplace , with full take out
22191 North Powerline Road, (561) 391-3318
Winn-Dixie (Kosher take-out, bakery,meat,fish,pizza, large kosher section)
7024 Beracasa Way, (561) 368-5442
Aroma Boca
Glicks

Delray Beach
Glick's Kosher Market, with full take out - now under ORB
7351 W. Atlantic Avenue, (561) 637-5771


Things to do
Vizcaya Museum and Gardens
Miami Zoo
Seaquarium
Jungle Island
Lincoln Road Mall
Bal Harbour Shops
Aventura Mall
Sawgrass Mills outlets - Ft. Lauderdale
Lion Country Safari
rent bikes
watersports
Gulfstream
Hard Rock Hotel & Casino
Segway
Kayak or canoe
Hanglidng
Scuba diving by the keys

Jay Why's List of things to do with kids:

Airboat or swamp buggy in the Everglades.
MODS museum in FLL.
Drive Loop Rd in the Everglades.
Jungle Island.
Fruit and Spice park.
Glass bottom boat in key largo.
Fairchild Gardens. (It’s mango season currently)
Kayaking in Oleta river SP.
Sugar sand park in boca.
Frost Museum.
Lion country safari
If all else fails, beach and pool

JJ1000's list of top restaurants and dishes in Miami:

1. Backyard BBQ (New chef in mid 2017 totally new menu): Burnt ends, 2nd cut brisket, Dinosaur Rib, BBQ Sundae, BBQ Burger.

2. 26: Sushi pizza is  a must I prefer it with baked salmon, then the Passion Mojito, Sushi Teriyaki tempuraed, Cilantro Aioli dip and truffle fires, all of their soups are good. Miso Bass is incredible as well.

3. Harbour Bistro, new menus in early 2018: Chicken and waffles just perfect, duck a l'orange pot stickers, millionaire ramen, lamb shank, charcuterie platter if that's your thing... Also serving brunch, Chicken and waffles again, eggs Benedict with bacon on top,

4. Fuego: Flatbreads are a must, then the back ribs, pastrami egg rolls, smores dessert, perfect date drink are good. (Update March 2017, the app chef and bbq chef isn't there anymore and the quality has been spotty from recent reviews.)

5. Zak The Baker. Menu changes too often to recommend stuff. Not Cholov Yisroel.

6. Kosh: Chocolate souffle and korean beef with extra sauce are good.

7. Rustiko: Spinach and Artichoke Dip, (Quinoa Salad is very good), (Pappardelle Mushroom if lunch), Mushrooms Panzerotti is an absolute must order only down side is it's a dinner only item. Oreo cheescake dessert but make sure it's fresh.

8. Harbour Grill: The Harbour Grill Filet or TheKing Reserve steaks are great. Supreme Burger is very good as well.

9. Pizza type options:

Foozo: Foozolis, the caprese foozoli with extra balsamic sauce and garlic aoili, their pastas are good as well.

Jerusalem Pizza: Best plain pie, get it fresh in store, coated fries good as well.

Lenny's pizza: Gan Eden Pie.

Also notable unique places are The Freeze which makes ices, serendipity makes ice cream (there is one next door to ZTB now), and Miami Beach Chocolates turtles and bark now also in Surfside!


#2020 Restaurants with outdoor seating

Soho - large semi enclosed patio, perfect for a rainy day

Fuego - large semi sheltered area outside the restaurant, indoors area has a new $20k air filtration system

Mozart Sunny isles -  large semi sheltered area outside the restaurant

Foozo - streetside tables

Zak The Baker -  streetside tables

Cine Cita, Backyard BBQ, Street Kitchen, 26, Kosh - streetside tables on Harding Ave 

Karne


Dan's Steakhouse Recommendations
Food: Street>Mendel's>Kosh>Fuego>Harbour Bistro>Meat Bar
Ambiance: Kosh>Meat Bar>Fuego>Harbour Bistro>Mendel's>Street
Service:  Kosh>Fuego>Mendel's>Street>Meat Bar>Harbour Bistro

Dan's 2024 Update
Moran (pastries) 9.5/10
Neya 9/10
Hadekel 9/10
Bambu Boca 8.5/10
Bambu NMB 8/10
Asiatiko 8/10
Ostrow Brasserie 8/10
Levy's 8/10
Street 7.5/10
26 7/10
Vish 7/10
Rustiko 6.5/10
Fresko 6/10
Smash House 6/10
Foozo 6/10
SoHo 6/10
Kosh 5.5/10
Carmela's Boca 5/10
Fuego 5/10
Ditmas Boca 4.5/10
China Beach 4/10
Cine Citta 3/10 Can't recommend due to service failures.
Meat Bar 2/10 Can't recommend due to service failures.
Cafe Noir: 0/10 Can't recommend due to service failures.
G7: 0/10 Can't recommend due to service failures.
Harbour Grill: 0/10 Can't recommend due to service failures.

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Who sends shalach manos for pay  in the Surfside area?

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Good meat place in or near Hollywood these days? Doesn't need to be super fancy, just good food (not Chinese had from Bambu boca and everything was really delicious)
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Is the Grand Beach Bay Harbor shabbos friendly?

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What was your issue with them ? I’ve used them in the past with no issue and found them to be the most professional from all the off brands
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Is the Grand Beach Bay Harbor shabbos friendly?

Wasn't there for shabbos, but;

If they welcome Yidden with Shabbos needs and not treating them as a pain in the neck. The front desk agent at Grand Beach Bay Harbor bragged to me why they attract so many frum Jews because they know everything about Shabbos and they cater to their Shabbos needs so attentively. I don't believe they have hard keyed rooms either.

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Is the Grand Beach Bay Harbor shabbos friendly?
Yes. They are very educated and accommodating. No keys but they will send someone to open for you. (And half the guests are jewish IME.)

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« Reply #14469 on: March 21, 2024, 10:17:00 AM »
As of yesterday, Izzy’s Smokehouse went live on Uber eats via a ghost kitchen based out of the first floor of Carriage Club North 50th Collins; near Grand Beach Mid-Beach), though I haven’t had a chance to order from him yet.

Another great restaurant (also ghost - no dine in) is also based out same location by name of ArtisanKO.  Pepper crusted steak is delicious and oftentimes discounted on Ubereats.  Burger on rice is delicious. There’s a nice deck overlooking ocean to eat on if you choose the pickup option for the food.  You’d walk through the door to the pool deck and then exit to the ocean boardwalk and make a right prior to exiting the property and walk up the stairs. Not an official dining area.

The rationale is that the dine in restaurant is still dealing with building/construction permits, and the plan is to have Izzy’s (dine in) only within the next several months/as soon as practicable.  I think ArtisanKO will cease once Izzy’s is fully operable.

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #14470 on: March 21, 2024, 05:22:08 PM »
From the wiki. Anyone on here ever order from them? Good?

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #14471 on: March 21, 2024, 11:45:31 PM »
Yes, Englander food is delicous and Heimish.

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« Reply #14472 on: March 22, 2024, 08:00:43 AM »
Has anyone been to the St Regis recently for shabbos and asked them to turn of ac control for the balcony?
We went a few years ago and they told us they stopped allowing this. Just wondering if anything has changed.

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« Reply #14473 on: March 22, 2024, 08:14:42 AM »
Has anyone been to the St Regis recently for shabbos and asked them to turn of ac control for the balcony?
We went a few years ago and they told us they stopped allowing this. Just wondering if anything has changed.
IIRC the code to do it was posted on DDF before.
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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #14474 on: March 25, 2024, 05:51:43 PM »
IIRC the code to do it was posted on DDF before.

Thanks! I searched on this thread and on the shabbos at a hotel thread to no avail. (There is even a thread dedicated just to shabbos at the SRBH, but the info seems to be outdated as when I was there in 2021 they refused to accommodate).

If anyone knows what JJ is referring to, I would be so grateful if you could share 🙂

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #14475 on: March 25, 2024, 05:56:10 PM »
Thanks! I searched on this thread and on the shabbos at a hotel thread to no avail. (There is even a thread dedicated just to shabbos at the SRBH, but the info seems to be outdated as when I was there in 2021 they refused to accommodate).

If anyone knows what JJ is referring to, I would be so grateful if you could share 🙂
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« Reply #14476 on: March 25, 2024, 07:11:23 PM »
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Thanks Dan!! Has anyone successfully done the tip here (VIP Mode) at the SRBH? IIRC, it is too high to access. I am also curious why they needed an “engineer” in the past if it was as simple as that

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« Reply #14477 on: March 25, 2024, 07:24:57 PM »
Because hotels will never tell you how to access VIP mode.
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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #14478 on: March 26, 2024, 03:29:49 PM »
Because hotels will never tell you how to access VIP mode.

Gotcha! Thank you!!

Another question - OVO (Altair) is booked for an event for meals for the shabbos I am going. Where is everyones preferred backup? Kosh? Meat Bar?

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Re: South Florida Master Thread
« Reply #14479 on: March 26, 2024, 04:08:03 PM »
Gotcha! Thank you!!

Another question - OVO (Altair) is booked for an event for meals for the shabbos I am going. Where is everyones preferred backup? Kosh? Meat Bar?
Meat Bar and OVO are the same chef. and same food. It's also closer to SRBH than OVO.