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Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« on: September 28, 2014, 08:46:49 AM »
September 24, 2014
 
The cRc chicago has researched some of the bamboo mats sold at Home Depot for their validity in using them for schach on your Succah. The current information as to which schach at Home Depot we recommend, is now on our website at:
http://www.crcweb.org/Schach%20Mat%20Fencing%20(Sep%202014).pdf

Let the discussion begin!

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2014, 10:15:00 AM »
Curious, why do the reeds have to be perpendicular to the support beams?

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 10:30:29 AM »
Curious, why do the reeds have to be perpendicular to the support beams?
I'm no rabbi, but we do it that way for extra support. Otherwise it might sag and fall through.
That's also why you need the small piece of wood on top, to help hold it down.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2014, 10:42:31 AM »
Curious, why do the reeds have to be perpendicular to the support beams?
they want the support beams to be maamid the sechach, not the wire woven into the fence.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 10:48:28 AM by churnbabychurn »

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2014, 11:52:01 AM »
I am looking for a photo of a wooden Venetian blind from around 1950-1960.

It is my understanding that until a few years ago, these blinds generally contained a woven strip of material. (instead of the stings, to hold the slats.)
If you can find such a pic online, or a link to something that would help it would be much appreciated. (A pic of your bubbies blinds would work!)


I need this to disprove someone's incorrect understanding of a teshuva of R Moshe RE using a wooden Venetian blind for sechach.

TIA!

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2014, 11:55:41 AM »
Like this?


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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2014, 11:58:01 AM »
Like this?


exactly!
How can I show that those were the blinds that were prevalent when he wrote the teshuva?

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2014, 11:59:05 AM »
exactly!
How can I show that those were the blinds that were prevalent when he wrote the teshuva?
how do you know they were?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2014, 12:03:01 PM »
exactly!
How can I show that those were the blinds that were prevalent when he wrote the teshuva?
Dunno I just Googled "vintage venetian blinds" and this seemed to match your description...

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2014, 12:03:53 PM »
how do you know they were?
1) It is clearly what the teshuva  means. (But someone needs a visual to grasp that...)
2)My in-laws parents had a blind business and he told me he remembers that woven material was the standard.

I'm just looking for very conclusive evidence that string holding the slats was uncommon.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2014, 12:05:13 PM »
Dunno I just Googled "vintage venetian blinds" and this seemed to match your description...
vintage is the key. Thanx

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2014, 10:47:39 PM »
September 24, 2014
 
The cRc chicago has researched some of the bamboo mats sold at Home Depot for their validity in using them for schach on your Succah. The current information as to which schach at Home Depot we recommend, is now on our website at:
http://www.crcweb.org/Schach%20Mat%20Fencing%20(Sep%202014).pdf

Let the discussion begin!
Amazing!

Wish I needed schach this year.
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2014, 10:53:45 PM »
Amazing!

Wish I needed schach this year.
relax. Do you really want sechach that is only kosher if placed a certain way?

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2014, 10:56:09 PM »
relax. Do you really want sechach that is only kosher if placed a certain way?
why pay triple the price for hecsher

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2014, 11:23:45 PM »
why pay triple the price for hecsher
Why you answering a question with a question? :P



But the answer is that the kosher ones are constructed without depending on a mekabel tuma to hold them together.
 Therefore, one does not have to rely on a "chap" that if placed horizontal or something, the wire becomes a redundant maamid.
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2014, 11:25:38 PM »
relax. Do you really want sechach that is only kosher if placed a certain way?
All schach is only kosher if placed a certain way.
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2014, 11:28:06 PM »
All schach is only kosher if placed a certain way.
Not at all. As long as you don't ADD a posul component you can put it on however you want.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2014, 11:40:29 PM »
they want the support beams to be maamid the sechach, not the wire woven into the fence.

+1
Very important to know.
Also, if nothing heavy is on top/or it is on top but not placed at ends of sukkah - and a strong wind comes it will blow schach off of sukkah. If this were to happen on average of once a week (it would in OH) then it's considered a Ruach Metzuya.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2014, 11:45:08 PM »
+1
Very important to know.
Also, if nothing heavy is on top/or it is on top but not placed at ends of sukkah - and a strong wind comes it will blow schach off of sukkah. If this were to happen on average of once a week (it would in OH) then it's considered a Ruach Metzuya.
Whats the source for the once per week shiur for metzuya?

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2014, 12:48:50 AM »
All schach is only kosher if placed a certain way.
Let me jump in here to explain lakewood vs. the rest of america. In Lakewood no one would dream of using a mat from home depot, because kaynus is readily available and not too expensive, and there is a lot of social pressure to be as mehudar as possible. Everywhere else, (Chicago, Cleveland, Kalamazoo, Los Angeles etc.) Kaynus et al is harder to get and much more expensive. You'd be paying literally 10 times the price sometimes, for a hechsher, when it's not really necessary. and even the mats with a hechsher have some issues, and there are people who won't use them.
Also in Lakewood the average Jew probably spends 3 or 4 times as much on Arba Minim as anyone anywhere else. יש דורשים לשבח....