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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2014, 11:25:38 PM »
relax. Do you really want sechach that is only kosher if placed a certain way?
All schach is only kosher if placed a certain way.
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2014, 11:28:06 PM »
All schach is only kosher if placed a certain way.
Not at all. As long as you don't ADD a posul component you can put it on however you want.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2014, 11:40:29 PM »
they want the support beams to be maamid the sechach, not the wire woven into the fence.

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Very important to know.
Also, if nothing heavy is on top/or it is on top but not placed at ends of sukkah - and a strong wind comes it will blow schach off of sukkah. If this were to happen on average of once a week (it would in OH) then it's considered a Ruach Metzuya.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2014, 11:45:08 PM »
+1
Very important to know.
Also, if nothing heavy is on top/or it is on top but not placed at ends of sukkah - and a strong wind comes it will blow schach off of sukkah. If this were to happen on average of once a week (it would in OH) then it's considered a Ruach Metzuya.
Whats the source for the once per week shiur for metzuya?

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2014, 12:48:50 AM »
All schach is only kosher if placed a certain way.
Let me jump in here to explain lakewood vs. the rest of america. In Lakewood no one would dream of using a mat from home depot, because kaynus is readily available and not too expensive, and there is a lot of social pressure to be as mehudar as possible. Everywhere else, (Chicago, Cleveland, Kalamazoo, Los Angeles etc.) Kaynus et al is harder to get and much more expensive. You'd be paying literally 10 times the price sometimes, for a hechsher, when it's not really necessary. and even the mats with a hechsher have some issues, and there are people who won't use them.
Also in Lakewood the average Jew probably spends 3 or 4 times as much on Arba Minim as anyone anywhere else. יש דורשים לשבח....


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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2014, 07:53:02 AM »
Let me jump in here to explain lakewood vs. the rest of america. In Lakewood no one would dream of using a mat from home depot, because kaynus is readily available and not too expensive, and there is a lot of social pressure to be as mehudar as possible. Everywhere else, (Chicago, Cleveland, Kalamazoo, Los Angeles etc.) Kaynus et al is harder to get and much more expensive. You'd be paying literally 10 times the price sometimes, for a hechsher, when it's not really necessary. and even the mats with a hechsher have some issues, and there are people who won't use them.
Also in Lakewood the average Jew probably spends 3 or 4 times as much on Arba Minim as anyone anywhere else. יש דורשים לשבח....
You need to check your data set unless you are comparing to those who choose an esrog because it is nice and yellow
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 09:32:47 AM »
You need to check your data set unless you are comparing to those who choose an esrog because it is nice and yellow
Based on personal experience and averages. Comparing kollel guy/alumni to kollel guy/alumni .

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2014, 09:52:52 AM »
Based on personal experience and averages. Comparing kollel guy/alumni to kollel guy/alumni .
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Kollel guys definitely spend much more on 4 minim. You cant even compare.
Find me a non Kollel guy who would spend $50+ just for haddasim..

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2014, 10:01:40 AM »
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Kollel guys definitely spend much more on 4 minim. You cant even compare.
Find me a non Kollel guy who would spend $50+ just for haddasim..
Right.  Now,  keep in mind that the most expensive hadasim available outside of NY are $25.
An esrog in Lakewood can go for as much as $300 you can't find one in Chicago for more than $65

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2014, 10:00:14 PM »


Right.  Now,  keep in mind that the most expensive hadasim available outside of NY are $25.
An esrog in Lakewood can go for as much as $300 you can't find one in Chicago for more than $65

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2014, 11:14:04 PM »
Right.  Now,  keep in mind that the most expensive hadasim available outside of NY are $25.
An esrog in Lakewood can go for as much as $300 you can't find one in Chicago for more than $65
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In YYZ you can find $40 hadasim
And I am willing to bet a lot of money that you can find more expensive lulavim in Chicago
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2014, 11:20:24 PM »
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In YYZ you can find $40 hadasim
And I am willing to bet a lot of money that you can find more expensive lulavim in Chicago
I stand corrected.  I was referencing where I've been,  and assumed it was the same for other out of town communities.
However I think my point stands.  Definitely regarding the schach,  and the Lulav I bought here for $45 sells for $90 in NY,  where it was shipped from. Same Lulav from the same Box. (source is the mocher).  The California esrogim go for $250+ in Lakewood,  in California he can't sell anything for more than $75.

There is much more demand there. The majority of the mochrim here won't sell deri,  teimani esrogim,  and other niche products. 

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 11:40:11 PM »
Pricing I think you are way off. Niche products there is definitely more demand in the NYC/Lakewood area
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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2014, 11:47:01 PM »
Pricing I think you are way off. Niche products there is definitely more demand in the NYC/Lakewood area
I can only testify to my experiences and what the people who sell the stuff tell me. I bought arba minim in lakewood for 5 years. I've been buying them out of town for 5 years. All my numbers are based on conversations with mochrim, and the lulav and hadasim that I bought on Sunday night.
But I definitely may be misinformed.

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Re: Cheap bamboo mats from home depot
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2014, 11:50:48 PM »
I can tell you for a fact that in YYZ i saw with my own eyes esrogim bought for $200+ and a few esrogim put aside with asking prices of nearly $500 !!!
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